How do you find out why someone got banned?

swviper · 30 June 08, 13:38

Is there a thread for this already?

redi · 30 June 08, 13:40

No, and I don't think the Admins will allow this to be discussed - you might even run the risk of getting banned yourself if you do, see this post. Your only option would be to send a message to one of the admins.

swviper · 30 June 08, 13:45

Thanks redi...it wasn't about the account thing. I will pm an admin.

daan · 30 June 08, 15:27

A lot of the time, we don't need to know.

At another site I'm a moderator of, we have a "banned user log" where we add the names and reason why a member got banned. Not all members get added, just the well known ones. It does come in handy at times, and I'm sure it has saved many a thread on "why so-and-so got banned."

But, basically, it's down to the admins here if they decide to tell us or not. We don't have an automatic right to know.

1 July 08, 15:16

It would be good to know who and why. In the Race07 section, this guy made 1 very useful post and got banned 1 day later. It would be good to know why he got banned, but at the end of the day, its the Admins decision and we need to accept it.

For example - Why did Gaiajohan get banned???

SlapHappy1 · 1 July 08, 15:39

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Originally Posted by RBalfour679

For example - Why did Gaiajohan get banned???

If you read a couple of his posts, there are some questionable comments (I think). At least I raised an eyebrow at a couple of them. I could be way off the mark. Unfortunate.

Karski · 1 July 08, 15:44

I have seen some "Wall of Shame"'s on elsewhere...could that work on NoGrip?

doo · 1 July 08, 15:55

Now that we're discussing on it, I also think it would be a good idea to have a list where people could check why someone has got banned. I'm quite sure mostly people would completely agree with the decisions but not knowing the reasons sort of makes it a matter of faith. So, I think it would add to the "jurisprudence" of the forum, if you get what I mean.

And if in some certain cases the administrators didn't want to tell the reason, they could state that in the list as well.

But that's just my humble opinion.

PhilH959 · 1 July 08, 16:02

I see it as a morbid curiosity, similar to a vehicle accident. Why do we look, and slow traffic, just to get a glimpse of destruction or death? To satisfy our curiosity, which in this case, does not need to be satisfied. For whatever reason, the people banned have not followed the very clear and concise rules of this site. Too bad, as I am sure some of them are for the most part good people, but can't seem to control themselves properly to maintain their account in good standing. And since most of them are "grown-ups", they deserve whatever they had coming, as they should know the consequences of their actions. If not, they just learned...LOL
And a wall of shame is just a tribute to mis-behaviour, so I don't see that happening.

Phil

freejrs · 1 July 08, 16:14

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Originally Posted by SlapHappy1

If you read a couple of his posts, it becomes pretty clear. Unfortunate. Some people need to learn to not speak their mind on certain issues.

If he got banned for that what exactly did he say? I cant find anything abusive in his recent posts. The guy had like 4000 posts and had been here for nearly two years, maybe he had a duplicate account or something.
No one is safe.....

Rules are rules though.......

Monsoon · 1 July 08, 16:18

It may have been because of something in the duplicate account thread that was removed and locked after too many discussion of how the auto ban thing works!

But I dont know since I never got to read everything in there...

stagman · 1 July 08, 16:34

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Originally Posted by RBalfour679

For example - Why did Gaiajohan get banned???

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Originally Posted by SlapHappy1

If you read a couple of his posts, it becomes pretty clear. Unfortunate. Some people need to learn to not speak their mind on certain issues.

He is banned? Missed that one. Obviously I was not involved in any conversation/discussion where this attrocity occured so I don't need to know.

That said, on another forum I visit a longtime member was suddenly banned for his conduct. Point was that his posts were full of sarcasm which was the whole joke. Unfortunately a new member who was also a moderator/admin. didn't get the joke. He was called back but kept the honour to himself.
In these situations one is bound to catch a couple as collateral damage.

doo · 1 July 08, 16:36

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Originally Posted by PhilH959

I see it as a morbid curiosity, similar to a vehicle accident. Why do we look, and slow traffic, just to get a glimpse of destruction or death? To satisfy our curiosity, which in this case, does not need to be satisfied. For whatever reason, the people banned have not followed the very clear and concise rules of this site. Too bad, as I am sure some of them are for the most part good people, but can't seem to control themselves properly to maintain their account in good standing. And since most of them are "grown-ups", they deserve whatever they had coming, as they should know the consequences of their actions. If not, they just learned...LOL
And a wall of shame is just a tribute to mis-behaviour, so I don't see that happening.

Phil

It goes without saying that violating the rules will have its consequences. I also acknowledge that by writing this post I too may earn myself an infraction or perhaps even a ban but I cannot believe that healthy criticism in the form of a constructive discussion could damage anyone and if it will not be tolerated, than so be it.

But your analogy is not quite applicable.

I'm sure everyone in this forum - even yourself - makes a distiction between users that are they know and users that they don't know. Usually when people make inquiries about why someone got banned, it's because it was a user they knew.

To borrow your analogy, you really think the curiosity needs not be satisfied, if the crash happened to someone you know? Even more accurately, if a friend of yours got a life sentence, you don't think you'd want to know why?

And it's really not a matter of people wanting to protest the bans, at least not for my part. I just don't think it's unreasonable to ask. And you can always ask, right? If it is decided that despite the discussion the list is not to be added, than that's the end of it. But I believe that pointing out the option is the healthier choice instead of censoring the whole discussion and banning the participants.

Ugh. I have spoken.

SlapHappy1 · 1 July 08, 16:52

It is apparent that relationships of a kind are developed on this site, as well as others, and I think it is only natural to want to know "what happened" to your "friend." Am I wrong? They may not be relationships in a traditional sense, but they are relationships non-the-less. However, I also know that the "morbid" curiosity also exists with some... can't get around that and I also understand that it is the prerogative of the admins to handle it however they see fit.

I apologize for my earlier speculation, btw.

Just my 2 cents.

freejrs · 1 July 08, 17:18

LOL!!!!

In the duplicate account notice, on the front, page it says you can discuss the issue in the forum but the thread is closed!!!!

I take it discussions have ceased on that matter?

Im not trying to stir anything up or question Nogrip's policies, it's just that I hadn't had a chance to see the thread and was a bit surprised to see it closed. Don't get me wrong I agree completely with the duplicate acount rule, Im just curious.

Edit: Whoops I see it says anyone discussing it further will get an infraction or worse. Sorry, I did not see that.

SlapHappy1 · 1 July 08, 17:27

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Originally Posted by freejrs

Edit: Whoops I see it says anyone discussing it further will get an infraction or worse. Sorry, I did not see that.

Oh... Oops... ok, I'm out.

doo · 1 July 08, 17:35

To my best judgement, we are not discussing the prohibition of double accounts but the possibility of having a list for the purpose of finding out the reasons for bans.

freejrs · 1 July 08, 17:45

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Originally Posted by doo

To my best judgement, we are not discussing the prohibition of double accounts but the possibility of having a list for the purpose of finding out the reasons for bans.

Indeed, but when the reason for someone getting banned is related to the duplicate account issue, are we not in danger of being deemed to be taking part in a discussion about the forbidden topic????

I just dont really want to get banned.

Dzul · 1 July 08, 18:05

A list of people who get the boot (Wall of Shame sounds like an obvious choice of name) would be useful. It would be useful as well to have the reasons behind the ban, so it's clear for users what NOT to do. But it's up to the Admins at the end. I don't think is about being morbidly curious (human nature though) but about being clear... it will save a lot of space spent in threads with rants and questions. I really think it will help.

My 2 cents.

Pizzaman · 1 July 08, 18:09

Aww, c'mon, you have to give the admins a bit of trust. Don't act like they turned ADOLF at once!
They have every right to kick butt on the double-account thing, because:
I sort-of-figured out how they did it, and I guess some of you might find out how they did it as well.
However, discussing that in the open might lead to the STUPID farts who create double accounts finding out too.
So that´s why they want us to keep our trap shut about it - and we should.

GaiaJohan did not let up about it - part of why he got banned.
A clear case of 'pissing the wrong tree'. Nothing to be done bout that, unfortunately.
I'll miss him a lot, and maybe they'll decide to change it to a long infraction...
EDIT: the best way to ask admin for mercy would be by PM and no whining here, of course.

BTW: they did have a wall of shame. It didn't help.

Monsoon · 1 July 08, 18:15

I hope Gaja's just got a 7 day ban, that is one of the options for the Admins after infractions...

Joel · 1 July 08, 18:25

Indeed, there was a hall-of-shame subforum where threads that had resulted in bannings were moved to for everyone to see and discuss. However, these discussions themselves often got a little heated and more than once resulted in additional bannings. This subforum still exists but is now only accessible to the admin team.

AFAIK there is nothing wrong with contacting a moderator or admin to ask why someone has been banned, so long as you have a genuine reason for wanting to know. Just don't try to argue their case or ask for the ban to be lifted.

Joel · 1 July 08, 18:27

Johan's ban is permanent.

doo · 1 July 08, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Pizzaman

Aww, c'mon, you have to give the admins a bit of trust. Don't act like they turned ADOLF at once!

I have nothing to criticise on any disciplinary action of any administrator that I'm aware of.

Quote:

They have every right to kick butt on the double-account thing, because:
I sort-of-figured out how they did it, and I guess some of you might find out how they did it as well.
However, discussing that in the open might lead to the STUPID farts who create double accounts finding out too.
So that´s why they want us to keep our trap shut about it - and we should.

Again, I have no desire nor intention to discuss the double account topic any further as it was never my intention to begin with.

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GaiaJohan did not let up about it - part of why he got banned.
A clear case of 'pissing the wrong tree'. Nothing to be done bout that, unfortunately.
I'll miss him a lot, and maybe they'll decide to change it to a long infraction...
EDIT: the best way to ask admin for mercy would be by PM and no whining here, of course.

This is one of the few threads in which I am actually making a serious attempt to stay on topic.

But apparently not everyone is, so I wouldn't be surprised if this thread got locked down as well.

Anyway, I've already received the knowledge of what happened to Gaiajohan from himself as well as a few other third parties by now, and I don't have anything to say on that matter as it is not my call to make and I do not know the circumstances under which the whole episode took place.

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BTW: they did have a wall of shame. It didn't help.

I remember we did, but it was not the kind of Wall of Shame we're discussing here, at least to my best remembrance. Mainly that thread was just 99 % full of ranting by various people on various people.

I'm talking about a closed sticky thread to which only administrators would be able to post to briefly inform why a certain person has been banned. I seriously think it would benefit everyone in the future.

PhilH959 · 1 July 08, 18:48

It was said before, and i'll repeat it: "NoGrip is NOT a Democracy!" These are not OUR marbles, and if we wish to play here, we will play by the rules.

Doo, I DOO understand that at times our curiousity needs to be appeased. BUT, if I were to borrow your analogy of a "life sentence" then I would ask my friend directly. And that would entail knowing how to contact him without needing nogrip to do so. Many of our forum partners are more of an aqaintance than a friend. But out of all these many aqaintances, some turn out to be "friends" with whom I share other means of contact. And once again, if one of them were to have a life sentence, I would ask them directly what had happened. If I had no direct contact but was still interested as to what happened: I.E. what they did wrong, I guess I would have to ask the admins, and it would be at their discretion as to whether or not I needed to know. It is in our human nature to know what another did wrong, for many reasons. So that we don't make that mistake, so that we may gossip about it, so that we may laugh at anothers misfortune, but in the end, it was because they didn't follow the rules, period. As Pizzaman said, the admins did not just start lopping heads without a reason! and that we may never know, but it really matters not to me. Just my 3 cents worth, due to inflation.

Phil

doo · 1 July 08, 19:10

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Originally Posted by PhilH959

It was said before, and i'll repeat it: "NoGrip is NOT a Democracy!" These are not OUR marbles, and if we wish to play here, we will play by the rules.

I agree, I do not suggest that NoGrip is a community of the people, but at least I assume it does try to be a community for the people. Kings and emperors are not required to do as the citizens tell, but good leaders do at least listen to what the people have to say and perhaps even engage in a constructive dialogue with their people.

And I'm delighted to see that that's pretty much exactly what the administrators here are doing.

Maintaining authority does not automatically exclude engaging in a dialogue or censoring constructive criticism.

Quote:

Doo, I DOO understand that at times our curiousity needs to be appeased. BUT, if I were to borrow your analogy of a "life sentence" then I would ask my friend directly. And that would entail knowing how to contact him without needing nogrip to do so. Many of our forum partners are more of an aqaintance than a friend. But out of all these many aqaintances, some turn out to be "friends" with whom I share other means of contact. And once again, if one of them were to have a life sentence, I would ask them directly what had happened. If I had no direct contact but was still interested as to what happened: I.E. what they did wrong, I guess I would have to ask the admins, and it would be at their discretion as to whether or not I needed to know. It is in our human nature to know what another did wrong, for many reasons. So that we don't make that mistake, so that we may gossip about it, so that we may laugh at anothers misfortune, but in the end, it was because they didn't follow the rules, period. As Pizzaman said, the admins did not just start lopping heads without a reason! and that we may never know, but it really matters not to me.
Phil

Well, to continue playing our joyful analogy that so well has proven out to function in this case, if I asked my 10 friends directly why they each got a life sentence, at least nine of them would claim that they were innocent and got locked up without a reason.

So, in order to get a more realistic picture of what really happened, I would endeavour to hear the other side of the story as well.

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Just my 3 cents worth, due to inflation.

Yeah, the inflation's a b***h!

Pizzaman · 1 July 08, 21:01

Ah bugger, once again I went off topic indeed.

But on topic: I would ask the one that was banned (if that was possible), or ask the admins. In which case it would be at the discretion of both parties to tell me whatever they'd like. Or not. But not whine about it on a n open topic. What would you want with that, start a whining campaign, all up against the naughty admin that banned our beloved John...?

In some cases you witness things, and as I am around a lot, I witness a lot.
Some things make you think 'Ai ai aia....' and you just know that if this admin comes along, it might end with a slap on the wrist, and if the other comes along they'll shoot to kill. And some other admin will come along, and just laught about it. Or make a remark that makes the person realise he is acting stupid. Hey, admins are human too, you know.

But - usually you just know when it gets into the 'danger zone'.
Steer clear. It's not worth it, there's no prize for being right, no win/lose.
There's nobody here that is gonna say 'oh look he has beat the admins'.
Never gonna happen. Ever. Nor should it.
The contimuity of the site is more important than the contribution of one person, no matter if we miss them. Yes I do miss some, and would have liked things to go otherwise (infractions woud be in order anyway), but what's done is doen and it's upto the admins to see what they do with it. Still hoping they might decide to make some things less permanent.

I received a ban from uploading for a while, and thinking about that they were quite right. I'm happy they lifted it, and will be more careful. Still, me being me, I don't expect it to last forever because sometimes I can't keep my mouth shut either (especially when it comes to making stupid comment).

I have said once (and you can quote me on that):

'maybe he had the bigger balls. But there's no doubt who had the hairiest'.

BTW I expected the admin either to see the humor of that, or else get an infraction or something, but guessed it was worth it if that happened. Shows that this admin HAS a sense of humor, no matter what some may say!

rasfigjohn · 1 July 08, 21:28

Humor is almost always the safest bet.

Klapaucjusz · 1 July 08, 22:25

IMHO 'The Wall of Shame' thread could be useful. I'd prefer to learn from others' mistakes, not mine. It would be a set of real life examples, a sort of 'How to Get Banned for Dummies'.

But I can live without it.

doo · 2 July 08, 05:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pizzaman

But on topic: I would ask the one that was banned (if that was possible), or ask the admins. In which case it would be at the discretion of both parties to tell me whatever they'd like. Or not. But not whine about it on a n open topic. What would you want with that, start a whining campaign, all up against the naughty admin that banned our beloved John...?

Again, what I'm suggesting here is a closed thread to which only admins would be able to post. And no, I'm not trying to start a whining campaign, as a matter of fact, it is my belief that such a list would reduce the amount of whining.

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'maybe he had the bigger balls. But there's no doubt who had the hairiest'.

Does size matter? Yeah... but it's not the size of the nail that counts, it's the size of the hammer.

doo · 2 July 08, 05:29

By the way...

Can anyone post me a link to the actual rules of the forum? I was unable to locate such a webpage.

HeebyJeeby · 2 July 08, 05:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by doo

By the way...

Can anyone post me a link to the actual rules of the forum? I was unable to locate such a webpage.

It's under Help/Site Rules using the menu up top.

sunalp2 · 2 July 08, 06:25

As Phil has mentioned many times, this is not a democracy.

There are site rules; and for good or for bad, they must be adhered to and enforced.

Don't like it? Don't hang around.

If I don't agree with someones actions, or way of thinking, I don't associate with them. Full stop.

hardjack79 · 3 July 08, 01:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pizzaman

I have said once (and you can quote me on that):

'maybe he had the bigger balls. But there's no doubt who had the hairiest'.

Ah Pizzaman, I am really going to miss your posts when you get banned.

9 November 08, 03:03

the gt planet banned user log made me lmao, nogrip needs a wall of shame...although we have much better, more well mannered members that are more mature so the list would be very short

hoboholic · 9 November 08, 03:27

There is/was a Hall of Shame forum...your too new to have seen it,
I think it is only viewable to Admins and Modo's now, it caused way to many arguements

sunalp2 · 9 November 08, 03:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoboholic

There is/was a Hall of Shame forum...your too new to have seen it,
I think it is only viewable to Admins and Modo's now, it caused way to many arguements

You got that right Hobo.

30 June 08, 13:38	#1
swviper Uploader Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ON, Canada Age: 42	How do you find out why someone got banned? Is there a thread for this already?

1 July 08, 15:55	#8
doo Retired Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampere, Finland Age: 29	Now that we're discussing on it, I also think it would be a good idea to have a list where people could check why someone has got banned. I'm quite sure mostly people would completely agree with the decisions but not knowing the reasons sort of makes it a matter of faith. So, I think it would add to the "jurisprudence" of the forum, if you get what I mean. And if in some certain cases the administrators didn't want to tell the reason, they could state that in the list as well. But that's just my humble opinion. Last edited by doo; 1 July 08 at 16:00.

1 July 08, 16:52	#14
SlapHappy1 Join Date: Apr 2008	It is apparent that relationships of a kind are developed on this site, as well as others, and I think it is only natural to want to know "what happened" to your "friend." Am I wrong? They may not be relationships in a traditional sense, but they are relationships non-the-less. However, I also know that the "morbid" curiosity also exists with some... can't get around that and I also understand that it is the prerogative of the admins to handle it however they see fit. I apologize for my earlier speculation, btw. Just my 2 cents. Last edited by SlapHappy1; 1 July 08 at 17:02.

1 July 08, 18:09	#20
Pizzaman Minifreak & Muscleman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groningen Centre of the Universe	Aww, c'mon, you have to give the admins a bit of trust. Don't act like they turned ADOLF at once! They have every right to kick butt on the double-account thing, because: I sort-of-figured out how they did it, and I guess some of you might find out how they did it as well. However, discussing that in the open might lead to the STUPID farts who create double accounts finding out too. So that´s why they want us to keep our trap shut about it - and we should. GaiaJohan did not let up about it - part of why he got banned. A clear case of 'pissing the wrong tree'. Nothing to be done bout that, unfortunately. I'll miss him a lot, and maybe they'll decide to change it to a long infraction... EDIT: the best way to ask admin for mercy would be by PM and no whining here, of course. BTW: they did have a wall of shame. It didn't help. Last edited by Pizzaman; 1 July 08 at 18:16.

30 June 08, 13:40	#2
redi Superator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On a thin crust covering a huge ball of hot molten stone whizzing through space Age: 40	No, and I don't think the Admins will allow this to be discussed - you might even run the risk of getting banned yourself if you do, see this post. Your only option would be to send a message to one of the admins.

30 June 08, 13:45	#3
swviper Uploader Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ON, Canada Age: 42	Thanks redi...it wasn't about the account thing. I will pm an admin.

30 June 08, 15:27	#4
daan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Scotland Age: 43	A lot of the time, we don't need to know. At another site I'm a moderator of, we have a "banned user log" where we add the names and reason why a member got banned. Not all members get added, just the well known ones. It does come in handy at times, and I'm sure it has saved many a thread on "why so-and-so got banned." But, basically, it's down to the admins here if they decide to tell us or not. We don't have an automatic right to know.

1 July 08, 15:16	#5
RBalfour679 Guest	It would be good to know who and why. In the Race07 section, this guy made 1 very useful post and got banned 1 day later. It would be good to know why he got banned, but at the end of the day, its the Admins decision and we need to accept it. For example - Why did Gaiajohan get banned???

1 July 08, 15:44	#7
Karski Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Finland	I have seen some "Wall of Shame"'s on elsewhere...could that work on NoGrip?

1 July 08, 16:02	#9
PhilH959 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 54	I see it as a morbid curiosity, similar to a vehicle accident. Why do we look, and slow traffic, just to get a glimpse of destruction or death? To satisfy our curiosity, which in this case, does not need to be satisfied. For whatever reason, the people banned have not followed the very clear and concise rules of this site. Too bad, as I am sure some of them are for the most part good people, but can't seem to control themselves properly to maintain their account in good standing. And since most of them are "grown-ups", they deserve whatever they had coming, as they should know the consequences of their actions. If not, they just learned...LOL And a wall of shame is just a tribute to mis-behaviour, so I don't see that happening. Phil

1 July 08, 16:18	#11
Monsoon Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Age: 22	It may have been because of something in the duplicate account thread that was removed and locked after too many discussion of how the auto ban thing works! But I dont know since I never got to read everything in there...

1 July 08, 17:18	#15
freejrs Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Shire Age: 26	LOL!!!! In the duplicate account notice, on the front, page it says you can discuss the issue in the forum but the thread is closed!!!! I take it discussions have ceased on that matter? Im not trying to stir anything up or question Nogrip's policies, it's just that I hadn't had a chance to see the thread and was a bit surprised to see it closed. Don't get me wrong I agree completely with the duplicate acount rule, Im just curious. Edit: Whoops I see it says anyone discussing it further will get an infraction or worse. Sorry, I did not see that.

1 July 08, 17:35	#17
doo Retired Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampere, Finland Age: 29	To my best judgement, we are not discussing the prohibition of double accounts but the possibility of having a list for the purpose of finding out the reasons for bans.

1 July 08, 18:05	#19
Dzul Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Age: 38	A list of people who get the boot (Wall of Shame sounds like an obvious choice of name) would be useful. It would be useful as well to have the reasons behind the ban, so it's clear for users what NOT to do. But it's up to the Admins at the end. I don't think is about being morbidly curious (human nature though) but about being clear... it will save a lot of space spent in threads with rants and questions. I really think it will help. My 2 cents.

1 July 08, 18:15	#21
Monsoon Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Age: 22	I hope Gaja's just got a 7 day ban, that is one of the options for the Admins after infractions...

1 July 08, 18:25	#22
Joel Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: coming to a town near you soon	Indeed, there was a hall-of-shame subforum where threads that had resulted in bannings were moved to for everyone to see and discuss. However, these discussions themselves often got a little heated and more than once resulted in additional bannings. This subforum still exists but is now only accessible to the admin team. AFAIK there is nothing wrong with contacting a moderator or admin to ask why someone has been banned, so long as you have a genuine reason for wanting to know. Just don't try to argue their case or ask for the ban to be lifted.

1 July 08, 18:27	#23
Joel Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: coming to a town near you soon	Johan's ban is permanent.

1 July 08, 18:48	#25
PhilH959 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 54	It was said before, and i'll repeat it: "NoGrip is NOT a Democracy!" These are not OUR marbles, and if we wish to play here, we will play by the rules. Doo, I DOO understand that at times our curiousity needs to be appeased. BUT, if I were to borrow your analogy of a "life sentence" then I would ask my friend directly. And that would entail knowing how to contact him without needing nogrip to do so. Many of our forum partners are more of an aqaintance than a friend. But out of all these many aqaintances, some turn out to be "friends" with whom I share other means of contact. And once again, if one of them were to have a life sentence, I would ask them directly what had happened. If I had no direct contact but was still interested as to what happened: I.E. what they did wrong, I guess I would have to ask the admins, and it would be at their discretion as to whether or not I needed to know. It is in our human nature to know what another did wrong, for many reasons. So that we don't make that mistake, so that we may gossip about it, so that we may laugh at anothers misfortune, but in the end, it was because they didn't follow the rules, period. As Pizzaman said, the admins did not just start lopping heads without a reason! and that we may never know, but it really matters not to me. Just my 3 cents worth, due to inflation. Phil

1 July 08, 21:01	#27
Pizzaman Minifreak & Muscleman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groningen Centre of the Universe	Ah bugger, once again I went off topic indeed. But on topic: I would ask the one that was banned (if that was possible), or ask the admins. In which case it would be at the discretion of both parties to tell me whatever they'd like. Or not. But not whine about it on a n open topic. What would you want with that, start a whining campaign, all up against the naughty admin that banned our beloved John...? In some cases you witness things, and as I am around a lot, I witness a lot. Some things make you think 'Ai ai aia....' and you just know that if this admin comes along, it might end with a slap on the wrist, and if the other comes along they'll shoot to kill. And some other admin will come along, and just laught about it. Or make a remark that makes the person realise he is acting stupid. Hey, admins are human too, you know. But - usually you just know when it gets into the 'danger zone'. Steer clear. It's not worth it, there's no prize for being right, no win/lose. There's nobody here that is gonna say 'oh look he has beat the admins'. Never gonna happen. Ever. Nor should it. The contimuity of the site is more important than the contribution of one person, no matter if we miss them. Yes I do miss some, and would have liked things to go otherwise (infractions woud be in order anyway), but what's done is doen and it's upto the admins to see what they do with it. Still hoping they might decide to make some things less permanent. I received a ban from uploading for a while, and thinking about that they were quite right. I'm happy they lifted it, and will be more careful. Still, me being me, I don't expect it to last forever because sometimes I can't keep my mouth shut either (especially when it comes to making stupid comment). I have said once (and you can quote me on that): *'maybe he had the bigger balls. But there's no doubt who had the hairiest'.* BTW I expected the admin either to see the humor of that, or else get an infraction or something, but guessed it was worth it if that happened. Shows that this admin HAS a sense of humor, no matter what some may say!

1 July 08, 21:28	#28
rasfigjohn Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006	Humor is almost always the safest bet.

1 July 08, 22:25	#29
Klapaucjusz Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Krakow, Poland Age: 38	IMHO 'The Wall of Shame' thread could be useful. I'd prefer to learn from others' mistakes, not mine. It would be a set of real life examples, a sort of 'How to Get Banned for Dummies'. But I can live without it.

2 July 08, 05:29	#31
doo Retired Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampere, Finland Age: 29	By the way... Can anyone post me a link to the actual rules of the forum? I was unable to locate such a webpage.

2 July 08, 06:25	#33
sunalp2 Grease Monkey Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne. Age: 61	As Phil has mentioned many times, this is not a democracy. There are site rules; and for good or for bad, they must be adhered to and enforced. Don't like it? Don't hang around. If I don't agree with someones actions, or way of thinking, I don't associate with them. Full stop.

9 November 08, 03:03	#35
NKVD Guest	the gt planet banned user log made me lmao, nogrip needs a wall of shame...although we have much better, more well mannered members that are more mature so the list would be very short

9 November 08, 03:27	#36
hoboholic Hobo strikes again! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Western Sydney, Australia	There is/was a Hall of Shame forum...your too new to have seen it, I think it is only viewable to Admins and Modo's now, it caused way to many arguements