GT3: Whats our wish list?

[NorthernUnion]

For me i think i'm going to get whats number 1 on my wish list. Realistic racing sound effects.
Always been a bug bear of mine that so few of the recently released sims actually sound realistic.
I guess number 2 for me would a realistic world enviroment.

Whats yours?

[gears]

Fully licensed FIA GT series with all the rules and tracks.

Fully dynamic weather that affect the tires, engine, and track and day/night transitions.

A truly "live" track that changes during the race; i.e. drying line, marbles, etc.

Realistic mechanical failures, realistic pit stops, realistic tire model.

Safety car.

[ecikus]

http://ttagroup.se/en/

this would be nice from Sweden guys-Simbin

[gears]

Originally Posted by ecikus

http://ttagroup.se/en/

this would be nice from Sweden guys-Simbin

That looks like Swedish DTM. Awesome

[ecikus]

While we dream of cars ..North guys are driving it ...watch it from 5:00min ,has "push to pass" + Kers
http://www.automotorsport.se/filmer/...-mot-stcc-bil/

[DurgeDriven]

Originally Posted by gears

Fully licensed FIA GT series with all the rules and tracks.

Fully dynamic weather that affect the tires, engine, and track and day/night transitions.

A truly "live" track that changes during the race; i.e. drying line, marbles, etc.

Realistic mechanical failures, realistic pit stops, realistic tire model.

Safety car.

About covers it for me.

Best camera control ..........better then GPL CCM or rFactor

I really got a itch about a few things though.

A seperate dedicated server for people do not want to change a thing.
At least for 6 months.
So no mismatches or people asking for links, patches or fixes.

A helicopter with a driver slot rather then fly by wire replays .... nothing too over the top up down left right to catch action.

Safety Car should have a driver slot ... ai would be brain dead.
Some people rather umpire cricket then play it.

In GTR#1 demo wish list I asked for a drop down LCD in garage.
Had to wait till F1 2010 but that is primitive to what I had vision's of.

[brabham67]

At this point I'd settle for it not sucking in general.

[gears]

lol @ safety car and helicopter driver slots! Go DD!

As long as we're going over the top, how about downloading real world weather conditions from wherever in the world you are racing - like they did with MS Flight Simulator.

Racing at Monza in November @ 13:45pm? Download the real, actual weather conditions.

And how about altitude above sea level affecting your car; tire pressure, engine temp, oil temp, etc...

[DurgeDriven]

Forgot the biggie.

It needs walk around mode not Netkar , like full COD

Then you could control your ai driver to walk down pitlane and rag on at a
driver in front of his garage that ran you into the kitty litter.
On teamspeak with lip syncing .... lmao .

Maybe even slap him

[max attack]

Originally Posted by brabham67

At this point I'd settle for it not sucking in general.

Yes wise words.

[DurgeDriven]

I do not see how that is possible.

Did any sim from SCGT> F1-2002 > GTR and up actually suck.

I must have missed it.

[gears]

Originally Posted by DurgeDriven

I do not see how that is possible.

Did any sim from SCGT> F1-2002 > GTR and up actually suck.

I must have missed it.

[DurgeDriven]

SCGT demo, I could not believe you could get that much feeling from a keyboard wow....

( If I remember correct the beemer and parking lot demo had no wheel input
at that time and was auto )

Get youngster brought up on Shift to try it and you would get a ear bashing
for wasting their time. ie: that sucks

[gears]

Originally Posted by DurgeDriven

Get youngster brought up on Shift to try it and you would get a ear bashing
for wasting their time. ie: that sucks

lol DD now we sounding like old farts!

Btw, I remember what you told me about GPL: going in to that first turn when it starts to slide and she reveals her secrets...

I know what you mean now

[DurgeDriven]

Once you get to -30 in GPL Rank

Alternatively less then a second off the best drivers in any given sim, car, track ... and do it consistently you can tell me something sucks.


I joking, we all have different ideas look at F1 2010 I thought it was bloody fantastic

No accounting for taste.

[brabham67]

Originally Posted by DurgeDriven

I do not see how that is possible.

Did any sim from SCGT> F1-2002 > GTR and up actually suck.

I must have missed it.

I was just stating my rather low expectations for this game.

I got into sim racing with GTR2. That sim didn't suck, IMO. And started me on the road to spending loads of money on this hobby.

[DurgeDriven]

You could hope it does not suck for you on a personal level.
I will pray for you.

Why bother worrying hey and get a ulcer for nothing aka .....Que Sera, Sera

Oh I see you are saying worry now and get the ulcer later. lol


Seen a few CARS trolls lurking now, they are gaining strength with numbers. bahahaha

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Originally Posted by gears

Fully licensed FIA GT series with all the rules and tracks.

Fully dynamic weather that affect the tires, engine, and track and day/night transitions.

A truly "live" track that changes during the race; i.e. drying line, marbles, etc.

Realistic mechanical failures, realistic pit stops, realistic tire model.

Safety car.

Pretty much what I expect from the game as well.

But I doubt we'll get a proper licence, and if there is one it'll be an obscure one I've never heard of.

I expect GTR3 to be more like Race07 than GTR2 in terms of features like day/night racing pit stops etc.

I just cannot see SimBin making a proper successor to GTR2 that does everything GTR2 did and more.

Originally Posted by brabham67

I got into sim racing with GTR2. That sim didn't suck, IMO. And started me on the road to spending loads of money on this hobby.

Same here. Although I spent money on my Laptop and PC for other reasons besides GTR2.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by DurgeDriven

I do not see how that is possible.

Did any sim from SCGT> F1-2002 > GTR and up actually suck.

I must have missed it.

Sinbins Race injection should of been a lot better than it is. Its rather disappointing when you consider the experience these developers have.

Have you had a look at it yet? Perhaps you missed it.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Originally Posted by max attack

Sinbins Race injection should of been a lot better than it is. Its rather disappointing when you consider the experience these developers have.

Have you had a look at it yet? Perhaps you missed it.

Race Injection is simply a collection of the content/expansions they released for Race07, but without the GTR Evo content/expansion.

It's nothing new, just existing content repackaged, and the majority of people here probably already have what's in it.

How can you think it should have been a lot better than it is when it's content that has already been released?

[max attack]

Originally Posted by ravenmorpheus2k

Race Injection is simply a collection of the content/expansions they released for Race07, but without the GTR Evo content/expansion.

It's nothing new, just existing content repackaged, and the majority of people here probably already have what's in it.

How can you think it should have been a lot better than it is when it's content that has already been released?

If mods are not on this website, I don't see them. If people don't talk about them on this web site I don't hear about them. So where is the free legal download link?

Why is Sinbins last title disappointing? Because they wanted $48.00 for it.
I have paid for every sinbin tittle that has become available. It should of been a free dl with any legit copy of the series IMO.
Are sinbin giving its customers value for money? Did they give this content to anyone here for free?
Or are they starting to disappoint long time paying fans? Be honest with your self.
I think sinbin are struggling sorry to say. I personally think rf2 will be more advanced and better value for money.

Come to think of it Image space over the years have been very good value for money and are 1 of the only develpors that have NEVER ripped me or anyone else off.

[DurgeDriven]

Drove the wheels off Evo, did I miss anything. ?

I not into analysing sims other then how they make me feel.

I rather adapt to physics/setups then narrow my choice by dismissing any sim
on nonsense like this is better then that.

Jim Clark used to go to meetings and drive various non F1 cars how they were setup, never touch them, mechanics would scratch their heads.

What that has to do with the topic I not too sure but something in it rings true for me. lol

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Originally Posted by max attack

If mods are not on this website, I don't see them. If people don't talk about them on this web site I don't hear about them. So where is the free legal download link?

Who said anything about mods?

Why is Sinbins last title disappointing? Because they wanted $48.00 for it.
I have paid for every sinbin tittle that has become available. It should of been a free dl with any legit copy of the series IMO.
Are sinbin giving its customers value for money? Did they give this content to anyone here for free?
Or are they starting to disappoint long time paying fans? Be honest with your self.
I think sinbin are struggling sorry to say. I personally think rf2 will be more advanced and better value for money.

Come to think of it Image space over the years have been very good value for money and are 1 of the only develpors that have NEVER ripped me or anyone else off.

I'm sorry but I don't see your gripe.

Everything that is in Race Injection is available from SimBin, either in other expansions that you may have or packs like the GT Power Pack or Formula Race Room.

There is nothing new in Race Injection - it is simply a convenient repackage for those who may not already have that content.

And a ploy by SimBin to milk yet more money out of the community - if you fell into the trap of believing there was new content or content that you don't already have in other expansions then more fool you.

[max attack]

Most of us buy all the Sims that come out. Evo was good and I'm sure we will all buy gtr3 as soon as we can. Don't fool your self, you/we don't feel the same about all sims. They all have varying degrees of satisfaction. That is if you are not a robot.
Jim Clark made everything look good, your right.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by ravenmorpheus2k

Who said anything about mods?



I'm sorry but I don't see your gripe.

Everything that is in Race Injection is available from SimBin, either in other expansions that you may have or packs like the GT Power Pack or Formula Race Room.

There is nothing new in Race Injection - it is simply a convenient repackage for those who may not already have that content.

And a ploy by SimBin to milk yet more money out of the community - if you fell into the trap of believing there was new content or content that you don't already have in other expansions then more fool you.

Sorry i wasn't aware of a way i could of got this content free.

Are sinbin giving away this content?
ps: i apologies for steering this thread slightly off the topic, but i see it has some relevance.

[max attack]

Will gtr3 incorperate ways of extracting money for 1/2 a dozen expansion packs to get a decent amount of content? my guess is yes. its not a good look when you look back at what they have done. I will still buy anything they will sell me.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Originally Posted by max attack

Sorry i wasn't aware of a way i could of got this content free.

Are sinbin giving away this content?

Er no. It's not free. Why should it be free?

I'll say it again, as I feel you are not comprehending the point - Race Injection is a collection of the content from the expansions like STCC and GT Power Pack that SimBin have previously released. It is simply repackaged.


If you bought those specific expansions already you don't need Race Injection as it brings nothing new to the table - so why did you buy Race Injection?


If you haven't bought those expansions already you don't have what is in Race Injection so buying Race Injection would be a good thing, wouldn't it?


Simple as that really.


I recently bought RaceOn to complete the series so I have all the content that is in Race Injection already therefore I knew I didn't need to buy it.

Never at any point when Race Injection was released did I look at it and say "it's disappointing", because I know it's repack of existing content that I already have.


And yes GTR3 will probably have expansions - but that is no worse than DLC content on consoles.

Race Injection is more of a "Best of" than it is anything else.

[max attack]

Thanks for your input raven. I brought it because it had new content or so i thought. Its still new to me and i don't mind paying the same amount as everyone else. Thats a fair thing.
The content hadn't been offered to me before i saw it last week in an Australian shop.
The disapointing part is they have seperated the content. If you buy RI and instal it, its a seperate program to the rest of the serries. There's no gtr content on RI. This situation must be diferent for people who paid for the parts of RI.
Tell me, when you got the Retro part, what program ran it?

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Originally Posted by max attack

Thanks for your input raven. I brought it because it had new content or so i thought. Its still new to me and i don't mind paying the same amount as everyone else. Thats a fair thing.
The content hadn't been offered to me before i saw it last week in an Australian shop.
The disapointing part is they have seperated the content. If you buy RI and instal it, its a seperate program to the rest of the serries. There's no gtr content on RI. This situation must be diferent for people who paid for the parts of RI.
Tell me, when you got the Retro part, what program ran it?

Ok I can see your point in that respect.

When I bought all the little DLC packs like the Retro or GT Power pack and the expansions like GTR Evo/RaceOn and the 2 STCC expansions they all slotted into Race07 and run in Race07.

But then the answer if you don't already have the content in Race Injection is to buy all the expansions and DLC packs they've done - then you get all of Race Injection and more and it all runs under the one program.

And if like me you get the expansions in a Steam sale they don't cost all that much - I bought RaceOn that way, for something like £13 ($20 AUD) iirc.

Really from where I'm sitting, unless you do simply want a "Best of" game (which it being a "best of" is rather subjective anyway) then there is no reason at all to buy Race Injection - go for the complete expansion packs and DLC packs instead.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by ravenmorpheus2k

Er no. It's not free. Why should it be free?

I'll say it again, as I feel you are not comprehending the point -



I recently bought RaceOn to complete the series so I have all the content that is in Race Injection already therefore I knew I didn't need to buy it.

.

I wasn't comprehending, thx for your patience.

I must say though, RaceOn had no content that was in RI that wasn't on race07.

RI has ALL the content from race07 +
wtcc 2010
Retro
Raceroom
Gt power
stcc2
a volvo class
& a hill climb track.
for $48.00 its good value BUT the disappointing part as i said is its a separate program. It would of been good to have all the content in 1 program for convenience.

[max attack]

Thx raven. Its clear to me now.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Originally Posted by max attack

I must say though, RaceOn had no content that was in RI that wasn't on race07.

Hmm. Ok. I only bought it because I don't have a Laguna Seca track anyway and as it was on sale on Steam I thought I'd complete the collection.

All I hope is that GTR3 has decent DLC (expansions) that is relevant and half decent - not like Race07 where the DLC tries to turn the game into a jack of all trades. It started out as a touring car game, but then gradually became a mish mash of many things with GT cars, Formula cars and US Muscle cars being added - I'd rather leave it to modders to do that.

[max attack]

Yes. I hope they let the Modders rock on this one too not like the dirt series..
So my gtr3 wish list would be compatibility with sinbin made mods/content.
I am now assuming I should be able to install older tracks and mods to my new RI install (fingers crossed).

[AndreiRS]

1 - Porsche

2 - Porsche

3 - Porsche

4 - Nordschleife

[Tkrau]

For-real surround sound.

[brabham67]

The discussion between raven and max attack brings up another good point.

What I DON'T want to see is a base platform with a string of DLC released and leading to confusion as to what is a standalone game or merely add-on content.

I can't tell how how many times that's had to be explained with respect to Race07 and the extensive list of DLC. For instance, GTR-EVO is an expansion to the Race07 game, but loads of folks didn't know that. Same with Race Injection being a collection of previously released expansions. Not all of the fault lies with Simbin, though.

This community, while filled with loads of info and helpful folks, can be it's own worst enemy sometimes.

[NorthernUnion]

Surely that is mostly the fault of SImbin trying to cash in on a popular title? I don't blame them for wanting to make more money, if they didn't then we wouldn't be looking forward to what should be an outstanding sim thats about to be released in GTR3. But they could have made it clearer that GTR EVO is an expansion to Race07.

Another thing i'd like to see in the new title is animated pitcrews and or more information passed verbally from the pit chief.

[splitpbt]

All or some of the old GP tracks, like eg."old spa" and for simbin to contact Jim Pearson and build dundrod50/65 + IOM.
Or... just build Dundrod and IOM from scratch.

On a side note... could it be that either SimBin held back GTR3 in order to obtain the "FIA GT" Licence again because shit2 unleashed had/has it or, is it possible simbin maybe ain't gonna' get it again,
because of shit2.??

I'm truly hoping they do though.
But if not, i'm hoping for some real world car classes and races. Bit overboard i know(jim pearson bit) but it is a wishlist and of 'cos everything the good peeps mentioned about "sound,full dynamic track and physics, day/night cycle" etc...

[gears]

Originally Posted by splitpbt

On a side note... could it be that either SimBin held back GTR3 in order to obtain the "FIA GT" Licence again because shit2 unleashed had/has it or, is it possible simbin maybe ain't gonna' get it again,
because of shit2.??

I doubt SMS/EA had the full license. If they did, they wasted it and we were robbed.

They didn't include all the tracks, they didn't include all the cars, they didn't have the rules, not to mention pit stops, tire wear, fuel usage, flag rules, safety car, etc, etc, etc...

What a complete waste of the FIA GT license. Garbage. Rubbish.

GTR Evo without a single license was a better GT Sim than S2U.

SimBin won't disappoint with this title.

[markspeed]

Originally Posted by NorthernUnion

Surely that is mostly the fault of SImbin trying to cash in on a popular title? I don't blame them for wanting to make more money, if they didn't then we wouldn't be looking forward to what should be an outstanding sim thats about to be released in GTR3. But they could have made it clearer that GTR EVO is an expansion to Race07.

Another thing i'd like to see in the new title is animated pitcrews and or more information passed verbally from the pit chief.

You might not blame them for wanting money. But once the spell of money gets into their heads, mediocrity soon follows. It never fails. As soon as money becomes the sole purpose for doing something. What ever it is you're doing becomes secondary, and any little bit of effort you do becomes something to haggle about. You want licensed cars. Flag rules. Pit stops. Accurate day/night changes. Realistic weather and damage. Proper tire modeling. That's all gonna cost you. And individually at that. Money corrupts everything.

Why do you think GT5 is in shambles as a game? Why do you think Forza is charging for DLC? It's because money has corrupted Polyphony Digital. Definitely Sony. And it is corrupting Turn 10, and we know Microsofts long history with money. They are still trying to suck people dry with how much it costs to buy Windows 7.

Anyway, that's what bothers me. That they will only put just enough into the game, to get it into stores by Christmas. And not put everything they can into the game. That's GT5's problem. And Perhaps Forza's as well. We can't have every sim out there being just another suedo sim trying to cash in. We need for at least some of these to be about the audience.


It's like actors, they make tons of mass market blockbusters, so that they can make the indy projects they really care about. We need a studio that makes lots of C.O.D type games, so they can make enough money to focus on making a good sim that they care about, and they know the fans will care about.


But somehow, I don't see too much more of this happening. People only seem to care about money anymore. Movies, games, music, even books. Everything seems to be going in the same direction.

I'd like to have more confidence about this, but until we see concrete details, and have player reviews, I wouldn't hold my breath, or take anything for granted.

[DurgeDriven]

Retail buyers are the hard done by.

I will be subsidsing steam users till eternity.

[-=Prodrive=-]

- Patch support - patches budgeted for 1-4 weeks after release.
- Beta release 3-4 months before retail to iron out bugs / problems
- Server banning controls to temp / perm ban troublesome users.
- Free dedicated servers.
- Better netcode (rFactor netcode?)
- Make it so that it doesn't take 60 seconds to load up the Steam version.

[rafnix]

Just a pure simulation without compromises. One cockpit view and all manual.

Sadly that won't let developers get anywhere as only a handful of people would buy it.

[Kazumi]

Originally Posted by gears

I doubt SMS/EA had the full license. If they did, they wasted it and we were robbed.

They didn't include all the tracks, they didn't include all the cars, they didn't have the rules, not to mention pit stops, tire wear, fuel usage, flag rules, safety car, etc, etc, etc...

What a complete waste of the FIA GT license. Garbage. Rubbish.

GTR Evo without a single license was a better GT Sim than S2U.

SimBin won't disappoint with this title.

- that's not how those licences work. tracks would have to be licenced seperately. I'm certain they would have build all FIA GT1 2009 / 2010 tracks with one year more development time. in its current state it already got more tracks then most, almost all, retail games (IIRC Race Driver 3's track list is more impressive in terms of the amount of tracks) , same as the new 2010 cars (the Mercedes SLS for example)

EA won't licence a full series anyway. it really depends. maybe SimBin makes profit... but I imagine STCC and WTCC licence not as costly as FIA World GT or F1

that's why I said they could do a similar licence deal as S2U (FIA GT1 & 3) or Forza 4 (ALMS) - just take care that it feels like a full licenced and simulated series and not as fictional as GTR Evo's GTs or the other 2 mentioned racing games

- that's exactly why I don't like to see too high expectations

everyone expects GTR2 with better physics, graphics, sound, online, more cars and tracks, AI and so on.

all I really hope is a good package... as you said stuff like pit stops, strategy, endurance races of course must be included otherwise it won't be a GTR

if there's a few minor things were they disappoint but the package is great I wouldn't be disappointed.

Originally Posted by rafnix

Just a pure simulation without compromises.

[Totenkopf]

My wishlist is:

- the same modding friendliness of GTR2
- the same realistic physics of GTR2

End.

[gears]

Originally Posted by rafnix

Just a pure simulation without compromises. One cockpit view and all manual.

Sadly that won't let developers get anywhere as only a handful of people would buy it.

I would buy that

[ecikus]

Originally Posted by gears

I would buy that

+1 this is what i need to

[Petty Andretti]

A Save Race in progress option.

Blancpain Endurance Series full licensing.

[MOHBMX]

the new "wow this is so real" feeling i got when i first tried gtr2 please?

just blow my mind, thats all i ask for.

on a serious note, lots of camera controls. i hate it when i cant get the dash to match my wheel/setup/cockpit like in most games, so ingame adjustable FOV/horizon line etc would do me nicely.

edit: id also like to see a "track day" style practice mode, with a range of cars on track but driving like they would eg, moving over if youre in a faster car, would be nice on nordshleife

I know GTR2 has ruined my social life anyway so ill be pleased if its even just a bit better than GTR2

[max attack]

no steam