Modelling a car

[LamboMantisMan23]

Hi guys,
Wandering if anyone could give me a tutorial on how to make a new car to add to NFS SHIFT 2 Unleashed.
Or could someone model the following cars:
Ascari A10
Ariel Atom V8
Bugatti Veyron Grandsport
Aston Martin One-77
Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV
Lamborghini Aventador J
Kinetia LMX (below)

[Bregel]

any other wishes? or you can contact SMS, criterion or T10.

[SternRav0R]

@LamboMantisMan23

Umm no one here on this forum creates cars from scratch. Most are all conversions from other Sims. Even conversions can be very very time consuming. If you care to try your hand at it just about every bit of information you need to do it can be found on this forum. It's scattered information so a lot of searching and reading will be required on your part as no one has done a proper conversion tutorial. I also doubt any of the Conversion authors would be willing to sit down and write one. There is a metric ton of info to compile to make it understandable by just anyone so to sit and write one could take weeks. That is a lot of work to do just to share the info freely. There is a reason tech writers get paid a lot of money.

[LeSunTzu]

Originally Posted by SternRav0R

Umm no one here on this forum creates cars from scratch. Most are all conversions from other Sims.

You must be confusing places.

[fisheracing]

Originally Posted by SternRav0R

@LamboMantisMan23
"Umm no one here on this forum creates cars from scratch. Most are all conversions from other Sims".

And the source of Intel from whence you base your statement on is from...where

[tulib202]

He probably just meant this section of the nogrip forum related to shift 2u. No one creates addon cars from scratch for this game, yet

[SternRav0R]

Originally Posted by fisheracing

And the source of Intel from whence you base your statement on is from...where

One only need to actually READ the S2U part of the forum here to figure that out.

Originally Posted by tulib202

He probably just meant this section of the nogrip forum related to shift 2u. No one creates addon cars from scratch for this game, yet

That is EXACTLY what I meant. I would of thought it would have been obvious since it is the S2U part of the forum the question was asked and answered.

[El1iP3S01D]

Stern, i've created my own lambo....Using Zmodeler 1.07z






It's low poly, yet here it is...

[dequaded]

http://vimeo.com/groups/bmwm3csl/videos/8899734

[meridianhawkins]

Well I'v made two of those cars but goddamned forum rules prevent me from uploading it.....Turn10 doesn't give a damn if you use their models from another game....it's only these guys which try to be overtly politcially correct.

[tulib202]

If someone is going to make those cars it's Bregel he's the best car converter around for shift 2

[meridianhawkins]

Nogrip is a shitty, shitty forum. If they weren't so stauch with their nonsense there would be ALOT more mods out there.....It's not that hard to make a simple standalone car too. It's just a matter of working with lterally less that 10 notepad files at most and editing VHf files to get your model in the game....Mebs can easily be exported by Zmodeller to replace that of a duplicate car...The problem is NOgrip has NO leniency for where you get your models from....you could easily get them from Forza which isn't even a PC game (hence won't cut into their damn revenues) but you have to buy the whole damn dics to get ONE model...jeez, I'm not talking about piracy here but if I wan't To get a model off a friends disc I need his DVD check....

As for taking work from other modders....I do not respect that AT ALL, but only under certain circumstances...for example what happened with tool831 WAS wrong because his mods were for a recently released game which people still play. Even if it wasn't he still was present to tell people that he didn't want anyone else using his work.

On the flipside I play skyrim, and I've used modded content from Oblivion to make my own mods...In my view a line has to be drawn...I asked the modders for their permission but it looks like they didn't care as they haven't responded to date...heck with Skyrim leaps and bounds over Oblivion (unlike the difference between shift 1 & 2) no one plays oblivion anymore. I released the mods and the people at Skyrim nexus had NO objections whatsoever, they were really happy to have new modded content in skyrim standalone for the first time. I gave the original authors credit (if they still are alive that is) and I literally told everyone that it was "borrowed content"....no one cared, they had the sense to idetify that line between taking other game content and using it in another game......Which is very much the case if the contents are released from another commercial game or if the files are randomly left on the internet rotting, with no downloads in 2 years...I'm dissapointed that the first thing this community did was make cars for themselves and then tell others they have them and then not share...WinnerSD47, Bregel and the Guy who released the FIA GT mods are an exception...Of course I also recognise the guys who've been working under the hood too, Like JYdougNY who made the game unpackable, Ermo and whoever else was involved....yes they may not have released cars but they certainly made it possible and we owe them that.....

That being said, the state of this community is still extremely bad and inaccessible, information is scattered everywhere and only a select few people know what they are doing with the game files. Of course a lot of effort needs to be put into making people understand that.. I understand a tutorial on the complexities will take DAYS, if not MONTHS to make.....heck even I can't make the time of day to make one at the moment ( I WILL actually try to when I do though)...

But guess what guys?? You know what WILL make people start making tutorials?? and WILL make us eventually able to add tracks in the game, fix the myriad of physics problems, maybe even manage to improve the graphics and add easy-to-use modding tools?? Being a little bit lenient with mods....yeah I may take resources without permission but only if I don't a reply for months and the mod is not used anymore.

But guess what? I don't care about Nogrip's petty rules on that point. I want people to download my mods and have fun with it, and try to improve the game....you can all give me lip about how I've taken minimal effort to make my mod and I shouldn't be claiming credit for it....but guess what?? It's A LOT more than anyone else has done...We need more modders here, but no one seems to want to let us do that.

Seriously, once I am free from my exams I'm going to rip the genitals off that forza DVD and release it, I don't care about bloody DVD checks....in this instance (for the reasons I've stated above) there is absolutely no moral reasoning NOT to. Jeez, the cars will be up on mediafire or where-ever it is that you guys can't stop me....I've all ready uploaded 3 standalone cars onto this site....all were rejected by nogrip staff....WAY TO GO NO GRIP.....buzzkill. I've read the rule page you can't ban me or delete this post unless I actually put up links to my mods here, which I haven't by the way... Youtube will be there for that so you guys can keep your eyes out for it.

[tulib202]

Originally Posted by JDougNY

There's an easy way to solve this problem. Take the time to learn how to properly use Zmodeler (or other 3d apps), beyond just being an import/export tool. Sit down and take the time to understand how a car is assembled in the game. You have to do your homework before you start modifying a game.

Then, you don't spend your time leaving demanding posts for tutorials or complaining that there are no "Overhaul" style physics mods. Because, you have gained the knowledge on your own and have applied the knowledge into creating your own content/changes.

It's not the moderators that have ruined the S2U forum, but the members that have come along (some out of nowhere) demanding that somebody tell them how to make a car because they can't be bothered learning on their own. Members that feel they have the right to steal/take the work of other modders to use in their own mods. Members that are too lazy to run a quick search to see if their question has been addressed in a past thread (in most cases it has).

Also, members that use Nogrip as a "home base" to carry on about their car mods that are hosted at another site. Sometimes posting links to the car downloads, which have no game CD/DVD checks for the install (clearly demonstrating that they have no regard for site rules).

Totally agree. There's nothing more annoing than ignorant people who do nothing but demand.

[Aldarris]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

Nogrip is a shitty, shitty forum.

Hmm.

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

That being said, the state of this community is still extremely bad and inaccessible, information is scattered everywhere and only a select few people know what they are doing with the game files.

You do realize this community is prominently a Simbin community right? SHIFT only attracts a handful of modders so there's really a few people who know things.

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

I've all ready uploaded 3 standalone cars onto this site....all were rejected by nogrip staff....WAY TO GO NO GRIP.....buzzkill.

I think your stubbornness is actually the cause of this problem.

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

I've read the rule page you can't ban me or delete this post unless I actually put up links to my mods here, which I haven't by the way...

Lol.

Honestly I don't know why you are still around here if you despise the community and the rules so much.

[T0MMY3688]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

I want people to download my mods and have fun with it, and try to improve the game....you can all give me lip about how I've taken minimal effort to make my mod and I shouldn't be claiming credit for it....but guess what??

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

I've all ready uploaded 3 standalone cars onto this site....all were rejected by nogrip staff....WAY TO GO NO GRIP.....buzzkill.

If you really want to upload your mods, why not upload it at NFSCars.net? They dont care about models taken from other places at all, 90% of the mods made for other NFS games are models ripped from other games (games like Forza, Juiced 2, TDU series and many more). There is no point complaining you cant upload here due to their rules or their forums.

Maybe people there might appreciate your work.

[hd5boros]

Quietly does homework...[IMG][/IMG]

[meridianhawkins]

Originally Posted by JDougNY

There's an easy way to solve this problem. Take the time to learn how to properly use Zmodeler (or other 3d apps), beyond just being an import/export tool. Sit down and take the time to understand how a car is assembled in the game. You have to do your homework before you start modifying a game.

Yeah, I know how to use Zmodeller....so what If I feel that I can get higher quality content from other places?? And so what If I feel I can put in less effort for the same overall effect?
That's the difference between S2U and test drive or race 07, it's accessible and easy for modders...You judge me wrong bro, I've made gigabytes worth of content on 3D modelling software...I think that the rules about dvd checks on this site are total bull, if they were more lenient then maybe we'd actually have a community here.

Let me give you an example. I'm sorry that it's a Elderscolls one but it's a perfect reflection of this....Skyrim Has hundreds of mods proted in from other games, I'm not even talking about custom made models I'm taking about ripped ones from other RPGs like kingdom's of amalur, Mount and Blade, dragon age weapons.....heck you see content from even diablo and world of warcraft in there!!! textures and slightly edited models. The site is Skyrim nexus and it's a perfectly legitmate if not overall better forum than it is here. Why then do we get these useless rules?? I'm not talking about utright stealing mods here...I'm talking cross game conversion.

Then, you don't spend your time leaving demanding posts for tutorials or complaining that there are no "Overhaul" style physics mods. Because, you have gained the knowledge on your own and have applied the knowledge into creating your own content/changes.

Never demanded or asked for anything from you. the rules need to be relaxed if we want to expand this community to a size in which we actually DO have the man power to do larger projects. The way people are going about it by with-holding resources is completely wrong. When people realise the game can be modded then our numbers grow, hence our modders, the only way for tha to happen is to actually get some MODS out there!! You devalue the community by thinking everyone will automatically become begging vultures when you start releasing mods (through whatever means you see fit), hence your automatic Assumption that I was "demanding physics mods". All I'm saying Is I've made content for the game, it's not stolen from any other modders, but it's hampered by the stupid rules of this site and the moderators who actually believe in them. Believe me, you are the minority, I've had a lot of feedback from other people via PM who've told me that the red tape on this site is ridiculous.

It's not the moderators that have ruined the S2U forum, but the members that have come along (some out of nowhere) demanding that somebody tell them how to make a car because they can't be bothered learning on their own. Members that are too lazy to run a quick search to see if their question has been addressed in a past thread.

I totally, agree with you that people asking questions already addressed is a problem on this forum, isn't it on ANY FORUM??? Have You seen dragonage nexus? Elderscrolls Nexus? the threads posted up on other simracing games on this site?? It's part and parcel of an expanding community my friend, and I'm happy to say by and large that even I might have been part of it too. Thankfully you all took the time to explain to me the issues and finally I've got some form of foothold here. Don't critisize what is a natural cycle of mod developement, we need to critisize the snail's pace at which this is all moving. You can only guess what can exacerbate it can't you??

Members that feel they have the right to steal/take the work of other modders to use in their own mods.

As I've clearly stated, I fully agree with this?? and it's NOT ruining are forums because that's the only effective thing the moderators seem to be doing right Stolen work is really pissing off, I totally know that. My Issue is with TURN10 content and only TURN10 content.

Also, members that use Nogrip as a "home base" to carry on about their car mods that are hosted at another site. Sometimes posting links to the car downloads, which have no game CD/DVD checks for the install (clearly demonstrating that they have no regard for site rules).

Well what do you expect, with the fantastic state of affairs here??? Are we supposed to talk about the standalone cars on THIS site because they are few and far between. Most of the forums which have these mods are in russian and are thus unsuitable. Nogrip cannot stop us if we want to talk about game mods on the "shift2 modding thread" reguardless of the fact whether or not it's on the site or not...What would mitigate it though, would actually ALLOW people to post mods up here. Tool831's content has been taken down, only TURN10 content remains. I totally DISAGREE with not letting this content on this site, it's ridiculous. Forza 4 is a platform specific game, we aren't hurting their revenues....plus standalone cars cannot be ported into console S2U's anyway. People have the right to modify the content they spent their own money on. We are not stealing a mod which someone has used sweat blodd and tears for, it's from someone who took his time and was paid a salary for what he did as well as help with a very experienced team. Besides legeally the content he's made doesn't even belong to him anyway.
To put things in perspective it is suddenly deemed illegal by nogrip to exchange 3D models....this is a far cry away fromripping music, especially when you have bought two games in order to make it possible.

rant ended....you can all get on your high horse and be high and mighty on rules...But at the end of the day it's a GAME. One which we've PAID for and one I should be able to improve for myself as well as for others.

[meridianhawkins]

Originally Posted by Aldarris

Hmm.
You do realize this community is prominently a Simbin community right? SHIFT only attracts a handful of modders so there's really a few people who know things.
I think your stubbornness is actually the cause of this problem.
Lol.
Honestly I don't know why you are still around here if you despise the community and the rules so much.

Hello my friend you seem offended. I'm sorry I pointed out inperfections in the site you spend your life on. If I wasn't stubborn I wouldn't be able to state my opinion nor make a change here wouldn't I?? You might want to try it, it might get you places.

I don't car if it's a simbin community. This is the most active S2U forums, seriously....That does NOT make it good, you only need to compare it to other modding communities which started off with unmoddable games and the huge effort they put in to make it possible, this is why I have a huge respect for induviduals in this community and don't you doubt my apreciation of them. However, regardless this is NOT a perfect modding community.

Why don't I leave?? Because believe it or not as many people have stated S2U still has potential, it's one of those semi-sim-arcadey racers which have reasonable graphics, A fairly authentic driving experience, slightly rubbish physics (buut who cares huh? ) and do not force you to be constantly online to race (ALA iracing).

Like I said I appreciate everything certain members of this forum do and I would ike to keep track of their accomplishments. That being said, whatever their stance on this topic, there's still a little bit of red tape holding back the rest of us.....the very "little" rest of us, which still try to contribute (whatever the means may be, stop belittling us and placing us below the people who DO NOTHING). Like I said, I am completely against the Stealing other people's mod situation. It's These TURN10 rules which bother me..

I stated my opinion and you have rresponded childishly by asking me to get off the forums when all I'm trying to do is geniunely improve ALL our situations here. For example....I''ve made a very beautiful Aston Martin DB5 mod from turn10 content (still unreleased) I'd happily give it even to you!! I just want people to have fun with it and enjoy the full potential of the game. I may sound self-righteous here but it's actually the opposite, with the moderators so stricty regulating the pettiest of rules.

Shift attracts only a handful of modders??? All the more reason to allow all means necessary to improve the game, hence causing an exponential increase in the number of players......

[T0MMY3688]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

For example....I''ve made a very beautiful Aston Martin DB5 mod from turn10 content (still unreleased) I'd happily give it even to you!! I just want people to have fun with it and enjoy the full potential of the game. I may sound self-righteous here but it's actually the opposite, with the moderators so stricty regulating the pettiest of rules.

If the moderators dont let you upload it here, upload to other places. You can still stay here for discussion, complaining about the rules sucks wont help improve this matter.

[Aldarris]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

Hello my friend you seem offended. I'm sorry I pointed out inperfections in the site you spend your life on. If I wasn't stubborn I wouldn't be able to state my opinion nor make a change here wouldn't I?? You might want to try it, it might get you places.

First off, I'm not particularly bothered that you called out this site. I respect your opinion, but I'm just merely stating that if you conformed to the rules you could get your work out there to MORE people than having them scour the forums to find it. Even with a DVD check, there's more than one way to get around it..

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

I stated my opinion and you have rresponded childishly by asking me to get off the forums when all I'm trying to do is geniunely improve ALL our situations here.

Nowhere in my post did I tell you to leave these forums. You had all sorts of hostility towards the forum which lead me to question why you still bother, but I guess you've answered that question now.

[meridianhawkins]

Originally Posted by Aldarris

. I respect your opinion, but .I'm just merely stating that if you conformed to the rules you could get your work out there to MORE people than having them scour the forums to find it. Even with a DVD check, there's more than one way to get around it.

I appreciate that you can respect my opinion but.

So I have to BUY forza 4 even though I don't own a 360, and port it to PC??? Not everyone's dedicated enough to BUY a whole new simracer just so they can mod another...
So what if conent is taken from this game? It's not going to affect turn10's profits forza is not released on the pc and standalone cars for s2U can't be ported to the 360. Basically I'm trying to emphasize the fact that if you draw a venn diagram with Forza and Shift 2 on it there will be no intersection.. What's wrong with cross game content? There amounts to terabytes of cross-game content on other games as I've said in my example to JYdougNY. It's definitely a farcry from piracy.

Honestly if you really think about it Shift 2 is not that hard to mod if you don't do the leg work and just use content from other games like millions of other mod content uses. It's truly petty, petty stuff. th link for Modzona.ru had hundreds of replacemnt cars, not the best quality but a huge step on top of what people had managed up until that time was taken down. Someone from NOgrip apparently complained to the site and all the mods were taken down. That was a lot of game content which could have been converted to standalone today...

there's absolutely nothing wrong with using content from other games. I don't see the point in NOgrip being so wound up on these rules. I at least hoped the moderators would cut me some slack, since they'd have some sense in them and realise that someone blatantly trolling and posting up irrelavent topics is a more pressing issue than someone who is trying to improve a game THEY bought and want other people to enjoy it too.

Sorry for going into another rant, but jeez everybody's thinking it and someone needs to say this.

[meridianhawkins]

Originally Posted by JDougNY

@Meridianhawkins

This game is old and was being modding from it's initial release. There was even a replacement VW bug early on. I see you're a new member here, but the membership at the time of game release knew the game could be modded and they knew they could make replacement cars. Back in August, I discovered the dummy BFFs by having one of those, "I wonder if...." type of thoughts. I then setup a thread and demonstrated that a new standalone car can be placed in the game, by bringing one of my addon cars from Shift 1 to Shift 2. I also went on to translate the coded files so that others may modify the content of their choosing.

Over time, some of the information gets buried in the threads. Also, some members got bored with the game and moved on to something else. I even walked away from the game for several months on 2 different occasions. There's been an influx of new members that were not present during the breaking down of the game from March 2011 to August 2011. So, a newer member should first perform a search of the threads to see if their question has been covered. The search option works decently here.

I not quite sure what you mean about people withholding information?
As I just mentioned, there is a wealth of information already established in the various threads for this game.
Some of the questions people ask are quite loaded...such as how the make a car. There's the shortcut method, which is all that I see being uploaded by people. Then there's the right way, which would take up too much of my time to put into words. When somebody is mentioning taking measures to get the "same effect", that is code for taking shortcuts. So, you end up with something that kind of looks right, but a trained eye will spot the shortcut(s) in an instant.

I also get the impression that you think that if anyone makes their own changes in their games or makes a car, they are supposed to upload it someplace. It's up to the individual to decide if they want to share or not. I view Nogrip mainly as a place to share ideas, share the initial break down of the game for modding and to discuss bugs.

As far as members getting together to work on a large project. That has already taken place with the UCP and to a minor extent with the CPE. If you're referring to a physics type of project, it will always be difficult to get even 2 people to share a common vision, let alone having 10-15 people on the same page. Also, if a person doesn't have a good knowledge of the madness engine, their approach to the changes in the physics may be less than ideal.

Honestly I don't see why people would Lose interest honestly Shift 2's the best alternative for some people....decent graphics, modding capability. Physics are off.....car list is crappy but better than other current gen pc titles like dirt (no supercars too much offroad) Test drive (too arcadey) Race 07 (too old graphics outdted), Iracing large investment in both time and money constant need to be online for fun....

PCARS seems amazing but come on, the community aspect to it is sure to mean slow growth for it....especially since the specs for it are probably waaaay high.

[IWE]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

Honestly I don't see why people would Lose interest honestly Shift 2's the best alternative for some people....decent graphics, modding capability. Physics are off.....car list is crappy but better than other current gen pc titles like dirt (no supercars too much offroad) Test drive (too arcadey) Race 07 (too old graphics outdted), Iracing large investment in both time and money constant need to be online for fun....

PCARS seems amazing but come on, the community aspect to it is sure to mean slow growth for it....especially since the specs for it are probably waaaay high.

I have nearly 6 years old PC and since latest build project CARS works way smoother than Shift 1 or 2. With 1080p resolution and most of stuff in maximum (excluding shadows on low like in all modern games).

Sure with many cars on front it starts to freeze like Finland during winter time in both games but Shift doesn't run smoothly even with most worse graphics and while being alone on track.

[meridianhawkins]

Originally Posted by IWE

I have nearly 6 years old PC and since latest build it works way smoother than Shift 1 or 2. With 1080p resolution and most of stuff in maximum (excluding shadows on low like in all modern games).

Sure with many cars on front it starts to freeze like Finland during winter time in both games but Shift doesn't run smoothly even with most worse graphics and while being alone on track.

what game are you talking about???

[brrupsz]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

.....car list is crappy but better than other current gen pc titles like dirt (no supercars too much offroad) .

Dirt is a Colin McRae based title which was always a rally type game.

[IWE]

Originally Posted by meridianhawkins

what game are you talking about???

Silly me..

PCARS