NoGrip 60's F1 Venue Championship idea (?)

hey-luciani · 25 September 08, 16:37

As the NoGrip F1 venue championship draws to a close, i've been starting to wonder about how we could have a championship that would fill the gap until the next F1 season begins.

I've really enjoyed this current championship (despite not doing too well, and suffering countless disconnections) and think it has been really well organised. The driving has been of a high standard, and good sportsmanship has been shown by all drivers.

So, here is my idea to extend the enjoyment....

How about a 60's F1 venue championship, using as many of the original F1 tracks as possible?

For example, the following tracks (or a selection of them) could be used...

Aintree
Brands Hatch
Buenos Aires
Bugatti (le mans)
Clermont Ferrand
Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez
Jarama
Kyalami
Monaco
Mont-Tremblant
Monza
Mosport
Nurburgring Nordschleife
East London
Reims
Rouen Les Essarts
Silverstone
Spa
Watkins Glen
Zandvort
Zeltweg

I'm not sure if all these are available for GTL, but know that most of them are.

We could pick a year, and try to be true to the venues for that particular year, or just try to get a feel for a 'sixties' season

Please let me know what you think

Butler

NocAtu · 25 September 08, 17:05

you have to be joking

that's exactly what i have been thinking for the past week!!!
i was thinking something about a '67 championship and maybe this time we form teams based on drivers for example we both choose the same car and livery and work as a team which in my opinion will make it more competitive for everyone

what do you think???

hey-luciani · 25 September 08, 18:07

Have i been reading your mind, or have you been reading mine

'67 is the obvious choice (with some '67 tracks already being available) but that could mean missing out on a few great tracks.
For example, Silverstone was used in '67, but it would be great to drive at Brands Hatch

What do other people think?

I like the idea of a more structured team championship. Not sure how the team/ car/ driver combinations would be chosen though...this will need some thinking about

Jevgen · 25 September 08, 18:50

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Originally Posted by hey-luciani

Have i been reading your mind, or have you been reading mine

It seem to happen. Butler, I like your idea (or whose ever it is)

. We have had some plans for winter. Last time the idea of the old f1 series came out earlier this week when I discussed with Nappe1 on the phone. Personally I like the old F1 tracks very much and we have very nice crowd in current F1VRC. Although there seem to be a lot of different leagues comming so I'm not sure if there is enough participants for another series. If there are enough interested drivers I'm definitely in. Now it would be a good time to start planning.

NocAtu · 25 September 08, 18:56

actually brands hatch was the race of champions for the '67 season a pre championship race so i guess we could still use it

Nappe1 · 25 September 08, 20:28

This really has been one of the things we've been thinking... Other ideas include World's Most Dangerous Venues (Berngartten, Avus of the 50's, Linas - Monthelery, Fuji of late 60's, etc.) and some smaller ideas how to improve the scoring even better. (this includes idea of forming teams of 4 racers, longer points scale, possible updgrades non popular cars, two or more classes possibility, etc, etc, etc.) No one yet knows which of these ideas will end up to off season series and which to possible next season, but brain storming is not never bad idea.

But as Jevgen said, it is good time to start planning. However, I might suggest that this off season, if next season starts with F1's in March, would be a bit shorter, as it has been a very long season and some of us might want to have a bit break as well and christmas time will keep some drivers quite busy few weeks.

Another thing which is different in F1 Venue racing series from all the others, is the fact that the races aren't constantly every week. It sort of keeps drivers not getting bored quite well and gives a good time to rest and prepare for next round, so maybe it's good idea keep that as it is.

Mogget · 25 September 08, 20:41

I like the idea, but I'm not keen on very long tracks. It's no secret that I consider the Nordschleife to be the most overrated piece of racing tarmac in the world, and I'm sure that other very long tracks wouldn't be my cup of tea. That VLM Le Mans track is very nice to look at, but I would be worried about falling asleep halfway down the Mulsanne Straight!

Needless to say, I'm interested.

NocAtu · 25 September 08, 22:07

actually racing with a one week break (as we are now) is just fine IMO.
@mogget i think that butler proposed using the bugatti le mans circuit which actually is kind of short, it's the track they use at motogp i think so you only have to worry about nordschleife and possibly spa '67

@ Nappe i was actually thinking about rewarding the guy that gets pole and manages to set the fastest lap with one point respectively, just an idea anyway

Nappe1 · 25 September 08, 22:23

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Originally Posted by NocAtu

@ Nappe i was actually thinking about rewarding the guy that gets pole and manages to set the fastest lap with one point respectively, just an idea anyway

If I looked right, 90% in our races the winner has set the fastest lap, so it does not make much a difference then if you just give one extra point to winner.

Pole again, well it's matter of taste. yet we have had only 6 guys getting poles from active 20 racers, so it will make the differencies bigger.

I need to post that points list with Standard F1 score system, so you get the idea why in F1Venue we reward points from finishing and why podium do not get extra like in F1... the differencies in mid pack are huge.

NocAtu · 25 September 08, 22:37

hmmm... i haven't thought of that

Nappe1 · 25 September 08, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by NocAtu

hmmm... i haven't thought of that

and yes, if you want to get big grids, you need to make sure that there's some points scoring going on in mid pack as well. Otherwise they (or us if you look at my results

) will get bored racing without scoring anything race after race.

Here's the points with our, heavily modified 1935 WC for Auto Car Racing Constructors system:

and this is how it would look like, if we would have ended up using scoring system now in use F1:

as you can see, the difference is huge. Both have still their good and bad sides, as our system does not give extra weight to winning, but instead of rewards quite well drivers who continously place themselves on same top 8 positions.

zsoca · 26 September 08, 19:14

Yes, I like these idea.

I will there, if you made this league.

I like, must be change the tyres once a race. Good Markus?

Pizzaman · 27 September 08, 10:52

Nice idea, but some of those tracks (Monthlery) are notoriously... wel... CRAP.
I knoew I just CAN'T RACE about 50% of the tracks you mentioned.

As it is off-season, maybe you wanna pick some tracks on the add-on server and get a venue going there?
Starting december, the GC server will be a 4-core... which will be damn good.

Also, on the add-on server there's quite a few add-ons making for close racing.
I'll hound any V8 ass with a 1310 or a TCR... finally some points for Fiat?
Though... next add-on will probably be a 500HP Ford...

You'll probably get some ad-on racers thrown in as well, filling up the grid.
(the 4-core server could support a 36 car field, no problem).

hey-luciani · 27 September 08, 11:38

Monthlery wasn't a 60's F1 venue afaik.

Obviously, we would have to be careful about which tracks to use- some may not be a good proposition for online racing. This is why I thought a 'sixties' season without sticking to one particular year may be a good idea.

Alternate Thursdays seems to suit plenty of drivers now, and i also think this could/should stay as it is.

How about an 8 race series, with these tracks...

Monaco
Brands Hatch
Watkins Glen
Zandvoort
Kyalami
Rouen les Essarts
Spa 67
Mosport

Which 8 would you choose??
(Should it be more races)
Is there enough interest to make it work?

Looking forward to your suggestions

Pizzaman · 27 September 08, 21:34

Actually.... I'm not interested in driving a Mini again... and still I will not leave the Mini.
Which leaves me quite at a crossroads. I'm gonna compete in the GC Minileague anyway.
So, will I want to do a F1 venue? Hmm. Don't think so. Not in a Mini anyway. Even Nappe1 hasn't risen over 8th place.

@ all, an explanation: sorry guys, but no matter if I do score points, I have now been 3 races almost all alone and might as well have driven offline. I'm not THAT bad... just the longer the track, the greater the difference. And more laps just make it even worse. It is no fun being a live chicane. Should I take greater risk, and crash the car? Everyone who ends behind me, has crashed...

The fun of racing for me is close racing, and having a 'toss of the dice' to see who is fastest.
This kind of thing is definately not for me, unless I start driving an Alfa - which I will not.
So, wishing you fun & luck for next season - not sure if I'll hang around to finish this one.

boothen · 28 September 08, 17:10

I really like the idea.

I think NocAtu's suggestion of teams using the same car and livery could make things quite interesting and give drivers lower down the grid even more to race for. Only thing is, how do you decide the teams?.... How about drawing up a list of 'regulars' and teaming the winner of this current league with last, second with second to last etc. (Non-regulars could be assigned one car and livery).

Actually, maybe this isn't the only thing! I'm not sure how team cars would be decided. Livery's shouldn't be a problem. - Worth considering though, I reckon.

revolucion · 28 September 08, 17:35

Boothen, an other idea could be to divide the points with how many races a driver has attended, to get a better view of his(/her) capacity

Also, maybe the driver with the best points average could be given the choice of car livery, to discuss with the other team-member of course. Or maybe personal skins could be an idea?

25 September 08, 16:37	#1
hey-luciani Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Derbyshire Age: 43	NoGrip 60's F1 Venue Championship idea (?) As the NoGrip F1 venue championship draws to a close, i've been starting to wonder about how we could have a championship that would fill the gap until the next F1 season begins. I've really enjoyed this current championship (despite not doing too well, and suffering countless disconnections) and think it has been really well organised. The driving has been of a high standard, and good sportsmanship has been shown by all drivers. So, here is my idea to extend the enjoyment.... How about a 60's F1 venue championship, using as many of the original F1 tracks as possible? For example, the following tracks (or a selection of them) could be used... Aintree Brands Hatch Buenos Aires Bugatti (le mans) Clermont Ferrand Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez Jarama Kyalami Monaco Mont-Tremblant Monza Mosport Nurburgring Nordschleife East London Reims Rouen Les Essarts Silverstone Spa Watkins Glen Zandvort Zeltweg I'm not sure if all these are available for GTL, but know that most of them are. We could pick a year, and try to be true to the venues for that particular year, or just try to get a feel for a 'sixties' season Please let me know what you think Butler Last edited by hey-luciani; 25 September 08 at 18:13.

25 September 08, 17:05	#2
NocAtu Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SKG	you have to be joking that's exactly what i have been thinking for the past week!!! i was thinking something about a '67 championship and maybe this time we form teams based on drivers for example we both choose the same car and livery and work as a team which in my opinion will make it more competitive for everyone what do you think??? Last edited by NocAtu; 25 September 08 at 17:18.

25 September 08, 18:07	#3
hey-luciani Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Derbyshire Age: 43	Have i been reading your mind, or have you been reading mine '67 is the obvious choice (with some '67 tracks already being available) but that could mean missing out on a few great tracks. For example, Silverstone was used in '67, but it would be great to drive at Brands Hatch What do other people think? I like the idea of a more structured team championship. Not sure how the team/ car/ driver combinations would be chosen though...this will need some thinking about

25 September 08, 18:56	#5
NocAtu Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SKG	actually brands hatch was the race of champions for the '67 season a pre championship race so i guess we could still use it

25 September 08, 20:28	#6
Nappe1 Uploader Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savitaipale or Kotka, Finland Age: 34	This really has been one of the things we've been thinking... Other ideas include World's Most Dangerous Venues (Berngartten, Avus of the 50's, Linas - Monthelery, Fuji of late 60's, etc.) and some smaller ideas how to improve the scoring even better. (this includes idea of forming teams of 4 racers, longer points scale, possible updgrades non popular cars, two or more classes possibility, etc, etc, etc.) No one yet knows which of these ideas will end up to off season series and which to possible next season, but brain storming is not never bad idea. But as Jevgen said, it is good time to start planning. However, I might suggest that this off season, if next season starts with F1's in March, would be a bit shorter, as it has been a very long season and some of us might want to have a bit break as well and christmas time will keep some drivers quite busy few weeks. Another thing which is different in F1 Venue racing series from all the others, is the fact that the races aren't constantly every week. It sort of keeps drivers not getting bored quite well and gives a good time to rest and prepare for next round, so maybe it's good idea keep that as it is.

25 September 08, 20:41	#7
Mogget Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ulverston, England Age: 45	I like the idea, but I'm not keen on very long tracks. It's no secret that I consider the Nordschleife to be the most overrated piece of racing tarmac in the world, and I'm sure that other very long tracks wouldn't be my cup of tea. That VLM Le Mans track is very nice to look at, but I would be worried about falling asleep halfway down the Mulsanne Straight! Needless to say, I'm interested.

25 September 08, 22:07	#8
NocAtu Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SKG	actually racing with a one week break (as we are now) is just fine IMO. @mogget i think that butler proposed using the bugatti le mans circuit which actually is kind of short, it's the track they use at motogp i think so you only have to worry about nordschleife and possibly spa '67 @ Nappe i was actually thinking about rewarding the guy that gets pole and manages to set the fastest lap with one point respectively, just an idea anyway

25 September 08, 22:37	#10
NocAtu Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SKG	hmmm... i haven't thought of that

26 September 08, 19:14	#12
zsoca Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Budapest(Hungary)	Yes, I like these idea. I will there, if you made this league. I like, must be change the tyres once a race. Good Markus?

27 September 08, 10:52	#13
Pizzaman Minifreak & Muscleman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groningen Centre of the Universe	Nice idea, but some of those tracks (Monthlery) are notoriously... wel... CRAP. I knoew I just CAN'T RACE about 50% of the tracks you mentioned. As it is off-season, maybe you wanna pick some tracks on the add-on server and get a venue going there? Starting december, the GC server will be a 4-core... which will be damn good. Also, on the add-on server there's quite a few add-ons making for close racing. I'll hound any V8 ass with a 1310 or a TCR... finally some points for Fiat? Though... next add-on will probably be a 500HP Ford... You'll probably get some ad-on racers thrown in as well, filling up the grid. (the 4-core server could support a 36 car field, no problem).

27 September 08, 11:38	#14
hey-luciani Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Derbyshire Age: 43	Monthlery wasn't a 60's F1 venue afaik. Obviously, we would have to be careful about which tracks to use- some may not be a good proposition for online racing. This is why I thought a 'sixties' season without sticking to one particular year may be a good idea. Alternate Thursdays seems to suit plenty of drivers now, and i also think this could/should stay as it is. How about an 8 race series, with these tracks... Monaco Brands Hatch Watkins Glen Zandvoort Kyalami Rouen les Essarts Spa 67 Mosport Which 8 would you choose?? (Should it be more races) Is there enough interest to make it work? Looking forward to your suggestions

27 September 08, 21:34	#15
Pizzaman Minifreak & Muscleman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groningen Centre of the Universe	Actually.... I'm not interested in driving a Mini again... and still I will not leave the Mini. Which leaves me quite at a crossroads. I'm gonna compete in the GC Minileague anyway. So, will I want to do a F1 venue? Hmm. Don't think so. Not in a Mini anyway. Even Nappe1 hasn't risen over 8th place. @ all, an explanation: sorry guys, but no matter if I do score points, I have now been 3 races almost all alone and might as well have driven offline. I'm not THAT bad... just the longer the track, the greater the difference. And more laps just make it even worse. It is no fun being a live chicane. Should I take greater risk, and crash the car? Everyone who ends behind me, has crashed... The fun of racing for me is close racing, and having a 'toss of the dice' to see who is fastest. This kind of thing is definately not for me, unless I start driving an Alfa - which I will not. So, wishing you fun & luck for next season - not sure if I'll hang around to finish this one.

28 September 08, 17:10	#16
boothen Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cheshire, UK Age: 40	I really like the idea. I think NocAtu's suggestion of teams using the same car and livery could make things quite interesting and give drivers lower down the grid even more to race for. Only thing is, how do you decide the teams?.... How about drawing up a list of 'regulars' and teaming the winner of this current league with last, second with second to last etc. (Non-regulars could be assigned one car and livery). Actually, maybe this isn't the only thing! I'm not sure how team cars would be decided. Livery's shouldn't be a problem. - Worth considering though, I reckon.

28 September 08, 17:35	#17
revolucion Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Örebro, Sweden	Boothen, an other idea could be to divide the points with how many races a driver has attended, to get a better view of his(/her) capacity Also, maybe the driver with the best points average could be given the choice of car livery, to discuss with the other team-member of course. Or maybe personal skins could be an idea?