Guess the car - Page 127

Petrolmania · 15 June 12, 14:42

1948 Buick. lol
I will leave the rest of the answer to someone else as i'm in the middle of getting a floor in and moving my PC in a few minutes etc.......so don't have one to replace it with. but yes, I LOVE this one!!!

And yes, not quite the actual name but.......

Ecclesley · 15 June 12, 14:44

Norman E. Timbs created a car that put them all to shame: the Buick 1948 Streamliner.

This car has been on this forum before.
As to me, you are free to post another one.

Tkrau · 15 June 12, 14:47

Bingo...although I'd hoped it'd have lasted a bit longer. More pics & info here.

Next?

Petrolmania · 15 June 12, 15:22

heehee. Yeah. THAT one I actually have an article about (although it is currently packed in a box somewhere.....). I always thought I knew pobscure cars until i met you lot! HAHA!

Den.

Double Mac · 15 June 12, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkrau

Bingo...although I'd hoped it'd have lasted a bit longer.

You know, it probably would have… if you’d gone to the trouble of renaming your puzzle pic, for example. I still think Petrolmania’s answer is valid though (primarily because I don’t even think the car is that rare so I’m sure he’d known all about it) but some of us do accidentally run our cursors over the photos which, in cases such as this one, immediately kills the challenge.

I don’t know, I reckon it’s Petrolmania’s turn.

Petrolmania · 15 June 12, 15:32

No, it's Ecclesley's turn. That's why I purposely left out the actual name. I'm still in the middle of getting a floor here....lol.

Den.

Tkrau · 15 June 12, 15:33

Yeah, I noticed the tag a little too late...next time!

BLeeKii · 15 June 12, 17:19

It's certainly a beautiful body on that Buick but to my (modern?) eye it almost looks like it was built the wrong way around....
Whatever happened to beautiful flowing lines like that in design I wonder?

Petrolmania · 15 June 12, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLeeKii

Whatever happened to beautiful flowing lines like that in design I wonder?

Legislation! lol.

Den.

BLeeKii · 15 June 12, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petrolmania

Legislation! lol.

HAHAHA!!!
Well said!

Double Mac · 15 June 12, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLeeKii

(…) To my (modern?) eye it almost looks like it was built the wrong way around....

You mean, kinda like this thing?

Petrolmania · 15 June 12, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Mac

You mean, kinda like this thing?

Oh I want that!!

Ecclesley · 15 June 12, 17:58

As I was granted to take this turn I would like to proceed with this aerodynamic animal:

Double Mac · 15 June 12, 19:26

Wow, this mid-50s Pinguin made by the German Ruhr-Fahrzeugbau company is one rare 3-wheeled microcar you managed to unearth there, Ecclesley. Love the ‘aerodynamic animal’ hint, by the way.

(That’s probably an observation Luigi Colani, what with his nature-emulating obsession, might take seriously.)

Ecclesley · 16 June 12, 06:37

This Pinguin is not from Antartica.
You are go Double Mac.

Double Mac · 16 June 12, 10:49

As cute as I thought the Pinguin was, how about something uncompromisingly glamorous now?

GTC078.jpg

While I don’t suppose the entry should prove particularly troublesome, that thing (especially this very angle) which I’ve come across only recently (no matter how much time I spend googling for rarities, I always end up realizing how little I know) blew me away. I mean, what a handsome craft! Such lovely lines…

(To be honest though, I don’t think the front end quite matches the rest of the design, hence the focus on that early 60s Spada-like tail.)

Tkrau · 16 June 12, 17:23

Oh CRAP...I've seen that car before in the Real World (I think) and cannot remember just what it actually is.

webfoot · 17 June 12, 20:31

I think Healey made something like this to race at Lemans, but I couldn't tell you what year. That back end is familiar, but the old grey matter isn't what it used to be and I never google these things.

spin_doctor · 18 June 12, 01:01

Franco Scaglione's "Coda Tronca" applied to what looks much like a Jag E-type Coupe albeit LHD. Maserati or Lambo with the same treatment?

bob gnarley · 18 June 12, 02:54

Zagato bodied 1963 Osca sp 1600 by any chance?

http://www.zagato.it/gal_osca.htm

spin_doctor · 18 June 12, 03:34

You mean this one?

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=...CA_1600SP1.jpg

Tkrau · 18 June 12, 04:34

That's it...looks SO much like a Jag from certain angles.

BLeeKii · 18 June 12, 05:36

Ive been think the whole time- & nearly wrote before -that it very much puts me in mind of my neighbours rusting XK140 from the door panels forward until the front guard starts to drop again....
The neighbours has the Westlake heads & over-driven gearbox- I can't remember the engine size or the year or any of the other details he rattled off to me -& the body is the standard hardtop.
If I could work the photo linky thing properly without getting into trouble I'd post a photo as it's so sad to see it wasting away-blokes like that should be locked up! LoL!

[EDIT]
Actually, after finding a photo of said neighbours car, I'd like to amend which model I said the puzzle car reminds me off....
It reminds me of the E-Type; mind you it's the same part of the body that it reminds me of it- I just had the wrong car in mind at the time....sorry.....

Double Mac · 18 June 12, 15:42

It is the 1963 1600 Sperimentale (which has just resurfaced at this year’s Villa d’Este) and Bob’s yer uncle… I mean, the righteous deliverer of the next puzzle car.

That said, I’m not sure this is a Zagato body. In spite of that ‘layered hump’ (my own expression; don’t laugh, please) rear end typical of a few contemporary Ercole Spada designs (a similarity I even pointed out myself in all innocence), as well as the inclusion of the car’s photo on a Zagato site, another source I’ve come across clearly states this was an in-house job. Naturally, I’d appreciate some conclusive evidence as this discrepancy is bugging me a little.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin_doctor

Franco Scaglione's "Coda Tronca" applied to what looks much like a Jag E-type Coupe albeit LHD.

Officially, it’s Ercole Spada who is recognized as a post-war pioneer of the (heavily) cropped tail concept (along with the actual ‘coda tronca’ term) in his 1962 Giulietta Sprint Zagato Mark II. That said, the 250 GTO, which borrowed a similar approach, came out at about the same time, and Franco Scaglione had indeed introduced a more restrained take on the idea years before, with the 1957 prototype of the Giulietta Sprint Speciale. The latter’s bluntly chopped-off rear end turned out to be a profoundly influential design element (in Double Mac’s book, at least); I see it in the Panhard CD, the Ferrari 500 Superfast, even in the 1968 Jaguar XJ (and its relatives).

On a somewhat related note, I love it how Peter Brock (who sculpted the Shelby Cobra Daytona) was trying to sell the usual story about ‘coming across those old theories by Wunibald Kamm’, instead of admitting that he was simply aiming at copying the 250 GTO (which the car was designed to beat in the first place).

Quote:

Originally Posted by webfoot

I think Healey made something like this to race at Lemans, but I couldn't tell you what year. (…) And I never google these things.

You’re probably referring to the 1.3L 1965 Austin-Healey Sprite Sebring (one of those, #49 with Paul Hawkins & John Rhodes at the wheel placed as high as 12 and came 1st in class) or the less fortunate 1966 revision which saw the ‘Sebring’ tag dropped. The 1967 attempt yielded a little success again (#51, driven by Clive Baker & Andrew Hedges, placed 15th overall and 4th in class) with a practically identical result the following year (courtesy of #50 in the hands of Roger Enever & Alec Poole).

(That same year the comparably more formidable and era-relevant Healey SR model was introduced as well but that’s another story.)

Apart from the innovatively placed hood scoop on some of those models, the overall design came across as a rather derivative, simplified 250 GTO / TZ1 wannabe (though you could throw this accusation at a bunch of other contemporaries anyway). Oh yeah, and I know all this because I ALWAYS google these things!

(Whereas typing all this stuff up afterwards makes a fraction of that knowledge stick… or so I hope.)

bob gnarley · 18 June 12, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Mac

That said, I’m not sure this is a Zagato body.

I would have to agree with you there Double Mac. In the picture i supplied, there appears to be "Zagato" badge on the the wing just above and behind the vents, which there definitely isn't on your picture.

Shoddy research on my part.

Not only that but you appear to have the actual vehicle Spin Doctor, that beats me hands down. You have the floor sir!

Double Mac · 18 June 12, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob gnarley

I would have to agree with you there Double Mac. In the picture i supplied, there appears to be "Zagato" badge on the the wing just above and behind the vents, which there definitely isn't on your picture.

That’s what it is? You have a good eye then. Perhaps someone wanted to pass it off as a Zagato at some point (for obvious reasons)? Because, had it been an original design element, it would’ve probably appeared on the car at the Villa d’Este.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob gnarley

Shoddy research on my part.

Nah, you just jumped to a conclusion which is something many of us do all the time. To mention but my own embarrassing confusion about Giugiaro’s styling proposal for a mid-engined Bizzarrini which I blindly introduced as a draft of the Miura… just because I'd trusted a certain site focused on identifying rare cars, and never taken the time to investigate the model more thoroughly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob gnarley

(…) You appear to have the actual vehicle Spin Doctor, that beats me hands down. You have the floor sir!

Wait a minute! No offense to The Doctor (who gets credit for finding a more modern picture) but you got the right car alright. You just may have been mistaken about the coachbuilder (for all I know I’m the one who’s wrong about the in-house design story) but you linked to a photo of what appears to be the same model anyway.

I mean, if you’re determined to give it to The Doctor, I’m not stopping you. But in my eyes you fully deserve the next turn.

spin_doctor · 18 June 12, 18:49

Pending further clarification by bob gnarley I offer this modest selection. I will certainly withdraw it if requested and yield the turn to bob gnarley. I think we had a dead heat on the previous offering but I have no doubt that Bob was on the right track 1st and is merely playing the Gentleman on my behalf. (Thank you Bob & Double Mac).

A competition car with a unique shape. What is it? Who built it? Where?

bob gnarley · 19 June 12, 10:09

Hey, you are welcome Spin Doctor. Had the thread been called "Almost guess the car" i may have claimed the win but the devil is in the detail as they say.

You are a gent Mac, though the Doctor's posting will probably prove more of a challenge than my recent efforts.

Ecclesley · 20 June 12, 17:30

MEAN Can-Am, originally a Brabham BT5 (not certain)

Double Mac · 20 June 12, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

MEAN Can-Am (...).

Wahahahahahahahaaa! I just stumbled across this same photo a couple of minutes ago by sheer accident. I was googling for an ‘Innocenti Spider’ and it popped up on page 25. (I hadn’t been looking for it, I’d been hoping to track down some modern-looking thing a certain, uhm, sadist had posted on another forum.)

Ecclesley · 21 June 12, 06:16

Oh by the way, it was built in Belgium, had an NSU TT engine and the name Max van Reusel is connected?

Well now I am gonna do a spin in my own mean car and wait for the outcome:

MadNitroBooster · 21 June 12, 17:40

"CAAAAAAAAAAAT" -Nostalgia Critic-

CX650 · 21 June 12, 17:45

Is it a Bucatti?

Doppler effect not required, it will go 'meeeooowww' as it passes anyway.

Petrolmania · 21 June 12, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by CX650

Is it a Bucatti?

Doppler effect not required, it will go 'meeeooowww' as it passes anyway.

Oh maahhhnnn...AHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Den.

Ecclesley · 21 June 12, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by CX650

Is it a Bucatti?

No this is the first Caterham prototype.

BLeeKii · 21 June 12, 18:46

Such a sleek body too...
I bet it just purrs along!

Double Mac · 21 June 12, 19:14

Hmm, I’m hesitating between a Stutz Purrcat and a Fur’d Furlane (or Feline, if you happen to be Scottish) myself.

Tkrau · 21 June 12, 20:06

Y'all are missing the obvious...Jaguar.

Ecclesley · 23 June 12, 20:45

Assuming the Spin Doctor approves, I would like to proceed with:

Petrolmania · 24 June 12, 17:02

I know I'm wrong on this one especially since Ford GT40 popped into my head and no idea why!

Tkrau · 24 June 12, 17:09

I keep thinking Matra Simca, but I have no clue why.

Ecclesley · 24 June 12, 19:49

Not a Matra Simca and not a Ford GT40, although the words GT and Ford are
part of the name of the car.

Ecclesley · 30 June 12, 07:18

Adding some clue to keep it rolling:

brulaap · 30 June 12, 07:41

Hmm,
David Piper, Colin Chapman and David Piper again ...
maybe a Lotus-Ford GT ?

Cheers,
Brulaap
.

Ecclesley · 30 June 12, 15:56

Dear Brulaap the Hageneis,
You are very close, the names Lotus, Ford and GT are part of the name of the car.
Just one name to add and you are high and dry.

BTW the 3rd name in the row is a young Henry Ford....................

Spike · 30 June 12, 19:41

Lotus 30

Ecclesley · 30 June 12, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

Lotus 30

No not a Lotus 30.

Here another pica:

Tkrau · 30 June 12, 21:45

Didn't David Piper have a car built to spec for him in the mid 60's...I guess it'd be considered a prototype, built by Lotus and with a Ford engine? I seem to remember my grandfather (who taught me to love both baseball and auto racing) talking about such a thing...

Ecclesley · 1 July 12, 06:21

This car was raced in the 1967-1968 world championships, in the upto 2 ltr. class.
As far as I know it was not built for or commissioned by D.P., otherwise prove me wrong.
He was driving much bigger cars at that time like the Ferrari 250/275 LM.

75% of the name of the car is already known, the remaining 25% is rather obvious, I reckon.

Tkrau · 2 July 12, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

T...otherwise prove me wrong.

I remember some odd'ness about a Piper something-something, but that doesn't mean that what I remember is like, you know...real and stuff.

15 June 12, 17:19	#6308
BLeeKii Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Between Gulgong & Taree,NSW & Townsville,Qld. Oz Age: 38	It's certainly a beautiful body on that Buick but to my (modern?) eye it almost looks like it was built the wrong way around.... Whatever happened to beautiful flowing lines like that in design I wonder? Last edited by BLeeKii; 16 June 12 at 01:05. Reason: Must've been a sticky key las night....

18 June 12, 05:36	#6323
BLeeKii Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Between Gulgong & Taree,NSW & Townsville,Qld. Oz Age: 38	Ive been think the whole time- & nearly wrote before -that it very much puts me in mind of my neighbours rusting XK140 from the door panels forward until the front guard starts to drop again.... The neighbours has the Westlake heads & over-driven gearbox- I can't remember the engine size or the year or any of the other details he rattled off to me -& the body is the standard hardtop. If I could work the photo linky thing properly without getting into trouble I'd post a photo as it's so sad to see it wasting away-blokes like that should be locked up! LoL! [EDIT] Actually, after finding a photo of said neighbours car, I'd like to amend which model I said the puzzle car reminds me off.... It reminds me of the E-Type; mind you it's the same part of the body that it reminds me of it- I just had the wrong car in mind at the time....sorry..... Last edited by BLeeKii; 18 June 12 at 13:58.

1 July 12, 06:21	#6349
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	This car was raced in the 1967-1968 world championships, in the upto 2 ltr. class. As far as I know it was not built for or commissioned by D.P., otherwise prove me wrong. He was driving much bigger cars at that time like the Ferrari 250/275 LM. 75% of the name of the car is already known, the remaining 25% is rather obvious, I reckon. Last edited by Ecclesley; 1 July 12 at 07:38.

15 June 12, 14:42	#6301
Petrolmania Easily Distracted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anarkist Garage, Cyberspace. Age: 49	1948 Buick. lol I will leave the rest of the answer to someone else as i'm in the middle of getting a floor in and moving my PC in a few minutes etc.......so don't have one to replace it with. but yes, I LOVE this one!!! And yes, not quite the actual name but.......

15 June 12, 14:44	#6302
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Norman E. Timbs created a car that put them all to shame: the Buick 1948 Streamliner. This car has been on this forum before. As to me, you are free to post another one.

15 June 12, 14:47	#6303
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Bingo...although I'd hoped it'd have lasted a bit longer. More pics & info here. Next?

15 June 12, 15:22	#6304
Petrolmania Easily Distracted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anarkist Garage, Cyberspace. Age: 49	heehee. Yeah. THAT one I actually have an article about (although it is currently packed in a box somewhere.....). I always thought I knew pobscure cars until i met you lot! HAHA! Den.

15 June 12, 15:32	#6306
Petrolmania Easily Distracted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anarkist Garage, Cyberspace. Age: 49	No, it's Ecclesley's turn. That's why I purposely left out the actual name. I'm still in the middle of getting a floor here....lol. Den.

15 June 12, 15:33	#6307
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Yeah, I noticed the tag a little too late...next time!

15 June 12, 19:26	#6314
Double Mac Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poland Age: 39	Wow, this mid-50s Pinguin made by the German Ruhr-Fahrzeugbau company is one rare 3-wheeled microcar you managed to unearth there, Ecclesley. Love the ‘aerodynamic animal’ hint, by the way. (That’s probably an observation Luigi Colani, what with his nature-emulating obsession, might take seriously.)

16 June 12, 06:37	#6315
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	This Pinguin is not from Antartica. You are go Double Mac.

16 June 12, 10:49	#6316
Double Mac Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poland Age: 39	As cute as I thought the Pinguin was, how about something uncompromisingly glamorous now? GTC078.jpg While I don’t suppose the entry should prove particularly troublesome, that thing (especially this very angle) which I’ve come across only recently (no matter how much time I spend googling for rarities, I always end up realizing how little I know) blew me away. I mean, what a handsome craft! Such lovely lines… (To be honest though, I don’t think the front end quite matches the rest of the design, hence the focus on that early 60s Spada-like tail.)

16 June 12, 17:23	#6317
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Oh CRAP...I've seen that car before in the Real World (I think) and cannot remember just what it actually is.

17 June 12, 20:31	#6318
webfoot Join Date: Oct 2008	I think Healey made something like this to race at Lemans, but I couldn't tell you what year. That back end is familiar, but the old grey matter isn't what it used to be and I never google these things.

18 June 12, 01:01	#6319
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	Franco Scaglione's "Coda Tronca" applied to what looks much like a Jag E-type Coupe albeit LHD. Maserati or Lambo with the same treatment?

18 June 12, 02:54	#6320
bob gnarley Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Noah vale	Zagato bodied 1963 Osca sp 1600 by any chance? http://www.zagato.it/gal_osca.htm

18 June 12, 03:34	#6321
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	You mean this one? http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=...CA_1600SP1.jpg

18 June 12, 04:34	#6322
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	That's it...looks SO much like a Jag from certain angles.

19 June 12, 10:09	#6328
bob gnarley Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Noah vale	Hey, you are welcome Spin Doctor. Had the thread been called "Almost guess the car" i may have claimed the win but the devil is in the detail as they say. You are a gent Mac, though the Doctor's posting will probably prove more of a challenge than my recent efforts.

20 June 12, 17:30	#6329
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	MEAN Can-Am, originally a Brabham BT5 (not certain)

21 June 12, 06:16	#6331
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Oh by the way, it was built in Belgium, had an NSU TT engine and the name Max van Reusel is connected? Well now I am gonna do a spin in my own mean car and wait for the outcome:

21 June 12, 17:40	#6332
MadNitroBooster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Finland Age: 26	"CAAAAAAAAAAAT" -Nostalgia Critic-

21 June 12, 17:45	#6333
CX650 Grumpy old Git Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dorset UK	Is it a Bucatti? Doppler effect not required, it will go 'meeeooowww' as it passes anyway.

21 June 12, 18:46	#6336
BLeeKii Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Between Gulgong & Taree,NSW & Townsville,Qld. Oz Age: 38	Such a sleek body too... I bet it just purrs along!

21 June 12, 19:14	#6337
Double Mac Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poland Age: 39	Hmm, I’m hesitating between a Stutz Purrcat and a Fur’d Furlane (or Feline, if you happen to be Scottish) myself.

21 June 12, 20:06	#6338
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Y'all are missing the obvious...Jaguar.

24 June 12, 17:02	#6340
Petrolmania Easily Distracted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anarkist Garage, Cyberspace. Age: 49	I know I'm wrong on this one especially since Ford GT40 popped into my head and no idea why!

24 June 12, 17:09	#6341
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	I keep thinking Matra Simca, but I have no clue why.

24 June 12, 19:49	#6342
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Not a Matra Simca and not a Ford GT40, although the words GT and Ford are part of the name of the car.

30 June 12, 07:41	#6344
brulaap Donated Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Hague, Netherlands Age: 64	Hmm, David Piper, Colin Chapman and David Piper again ... maybe a Lotus-Ford GT ? Cheers, Brulaap .

30 June 12, 15:56	#6345
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Dear Brulaap the Hageneis, You are very close, the names Lotus, Ford and GT are part of the name of the car. Just one name to add and you are high and dry. BTW the 3rd name in the row is a young Henry Ford....................

30 June 12, 19:41	#6346
Spike Join Date: Dec 2010	Lotus 30

30 June 12, 21:45	#6348
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Didn't David Piper have a car built to spec for him in the mid 60's...I guess it'd be considered a prototype, built by Lotus and with a Ford engine? I seem to remember my grandfather (who taught me to love both baseball and auto racing) talking about such a thing...